Runs on eBay?

YautjaElder

2005-12-29 07:03:51 pm

Speed is the key.

Hehe, nice one, can´t wait to see his answer. Grin

TSA

2005-12-29 07:04:01 pm

Retired

More ranting from him:

Do you by chance download any mp3s without paying for them?

- You are a moron. While downloading (C) material is ILLEGAL, if one were to download mp3s, I seriously doubt they RESELL THEM. That is PIRACY. Downloading MP3s IS NOT ILLEGAL, believe it or not, it is the act of DISTRIBUTING THEM FREELY. It is the distributor, not the consumer. So even if I did download mp3s before, I would never re-distribute them nor re-sell them. YOU, however, RESELL (C) material. You are engaging in piracy.

OHhhhhh shoes on the other foot ? what a shame, you americans have ripped off thousands of pounds from artists worldwide, and you use bit torrent for films!

- We don't rip off "pounds" in America, we rip off "dollars". I'm not here to get into a philosophical and moral debate, that is not the point nor relevant to the immediate issue at hand. The issue at hand is this:

You got caught reselling (C) material.
You admitted it openly on eBay.
The authorities will deal with you.

That's all that you should concern yourself with. And oh yeah, just in case you didn't hear all the way over there in Great Britian, people actually got SUED for redsitributing (C) music/movies/games here. The law does apply to even us Americans, as "arrogant" as everyone thinks we are.

But since your wallet was never affected, you didn't care, now that someone has done to you, its an all out war! ha get a grip,

- I AM NOT MAD ABOUT NOT GETTING MONEY YOU IDIOT! I DO NOT WANT MONEY FROM MY SPEED RUNS! YOU ARE MISSING THE DAMN POINT. The point is I MADE THIS STUFF FOR FREE! ALL I WANT IF PEOPLE USE THIS STUFF IS CREDIT AND FOR ANYONE WHO REDISTRIBUTES IT TO NOT RESTRICT ACCESS THROUGH TECHNICAL OR ECONOMIC MEANS! You really don't get it, do you?

I'll pay you any royaltys if you first buy all the music you have downloaded on your PC. Fair deal? didn't think so.

- Considering I don't HAVE any illegal music on my PC (I actually only buy video game music, which I IMPORT AND PAY FOR). I actually respect the music I buy, from such BRITISH groups as BLACK SABBATH and QUEEN. I only download FREE MUSIC THAT IS AUTHORIZED FOR DOWNLOAD, such as remixes on OCREMIX.org! And I don't want royalties, I want you to only charge SHIPPING AND HANDLING + COST OF A BLANK DVD or restribute them online AND I want you to give us credit for OUR stuff.

Thank you.

More ranting from him:

Do you by chance download any mp3s without paying for them?

- You are a moron.  While downloading (C) material is ILLEGAL, if one were to download mp3s, I seriously doubt they RESELL THEM.  That is PIRACY. Downloading MP3s IS NOT ILLEGAL, believe it or not, it is the act of DISTRIBUTING THEM FREELY.  It is the distributor, not the consumer.  So even if I did download mp3s before, I would never re-distribute them nor re-sell them.  YOU, however, RESELL (C) material.  You are engaging in piracy.

OHhhhhh shoes on the  other foot ? what a shame, you americans have ripped off thousands of pounds from artists worldwide, and you use bit torrent for films!

- We don't rip off "pounds" in America, we rip off "dollars".  I'm not here to get into a philosophical and moral debate, that is not the point nor relevant to the immediate issue at hand.  The issue at hand is this:

You got caught reselling (C) material.
You admitted it openly on eBay.
The authorities will deal with you.

That's all that you should concern yourself with.  And oh yeah, just in case you didn't hear all the way over there in Great Britian, people actually got SUED for redsitributing (C) music/movies/games here.  The law does apply to even us Americans, as "arrogant" as everyone thinks we are.

But since your wallet was never affected, you didn't care, now that someone has done to you, its an all out war! ha get a grip,

- I AM NOT MAD ABOUT NOT GETTING MONEY YOU IDIOT!  I DO NOT WANT MONEY FROM MY SPEED RUNS!  YOU ARE MISSING THE DAMN POINT.  The point is I MADE THIS STUFF FOR FREE!  ALL I WANT IF PEOPLE USE THIS STUFF IS CREDIT AND FOR ANYONE WHO REDISTRIBUTES IT TO NOT RESTRICT ACCESS THROUGH TECHNICAL OR ECONOMIC MEANS!  You really don't get it, do you?

I'll pay you any royaltys if you first buy all the music you have downloaded on your PC. Fair deal? didn't think so.

- Considering I don't HAVE any illegal music on my PC (I actually only buy video game music, which I IMPORT AND PAY FOR).  I actually respect the music I buy, from such BRITISH groups as BLACK SABBATH and QUEEN.  I only download FREE MUSIC THAT IS AUTHORIZED FOR DOWNLOAD, such as remixes on OCREMIX.org!  And I don't want royalties, I want you to only charge SHIPPING AND HANDLING + COST OF A BLANK DVD or restribute them online AND I want you to give us credit for OUR stuff.

Thank you.

-Suzaku-

2005-12-29 07:07:12 pm

Eternal Understudy

I love how idiots always feel the need to rationalize every thing they do. Even though he has absolutely nothing to stand on, he constantly makes arguments.

Dark

2005-12-29 07:08:35 pm

He's just an Idiot. In the end, it's TSA that's going to have the last word, I'm sure of it.

Lam6ch0p

2005-12-29 07:14:55 pm

$inner

that guy's thick, real thick indeed

FIERCELINKMASTER

Edit history:

FIERCELINKMASTER: 2005-12-29 07:19:24 pm

2005-12-29 07:17:54 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

woah...
Talk about being a stupid asshole...
What really fires me up is the fact that he said "are you as good as me" on one of those things.

Quote:

He's just an Idiot. In the end, it's TSA that's going to have the last word, I'm sure of it.

Exactly

Radix

2005-12-29 07:31:52 pm

I'm addicted to games

TSA i'd appreciate if you'd answer my request about your dealings with G4. If you truely "know how it works" then you can help me write a legal page here.

DK64_MASTER

2005-12-29 07:47:06 pm

Quote:

More ranting from him:

Do you by chance download any mp3s without paying for them?

- You are a moron. While downloading (C) material is ILLEGAL, if one were to download mp3s, I seriously doubt they RESELL THEM. That is PIRACY. Downloading MP3s IS NOT ILLEGAL, believe it or not, it is the act of DISTRIBUTING THEM FREELY. It is the distributor, not the consumer. So even if I did download mp3s before, I would never re-distribute them nor re-sell them. YOU, however, RESELL (C) material. You are engaging in piracy.

OHhhhhh shoes on the other foot ? what a shame, you americans have ripped off thousands of pounds from artists worldwide, and you use bit torrent for films!

- We don't rip off "pounds" in America, we rip off "dollars". I'm not here to get into a philosophical and moral debate, that is not the point nor relevant to the immediate issue at hand. The issue at hand is this:

You got caught reselling (C) material.
You admitted it openly on eBay.
The authorities will deal with you.

That's all that you should concern yourself with. And oh yeah, just in case you didn't hear all the way over there in Great Britian, people actually got SUED for redsitributing (C) music/movies/games here. The law does apply to even us Americans, as "arrogant" as everyone thinks we are.

But since your wallet was never affected, you didn't care, now that someone has done to you, its an all out war! ha get a grip,

- I AM NOT MAD ABOUT NOT GETTING MONEY YOU IDIOT! I DO NOT WANT MONEY FROM MY SPEED RUNS! YOU ARE MISSING THE DAMN POINT. The point is I MADE THIS STUFF FOR FREE! ALL I WANT IF PEOPLE USE THIS STUFF IS CREDIT AND FOR ANYONE WHO REDISTRIBUTES IT TO NOT RESTRICT ACCESS THROUGH TECHNICAL OR ECONOMIC MEANS! You really don't get it, do you?

I'll pay you any royaltys if you first buy all the music you have downloaded on your PC. Fair deal? didn't think so.

- Considering I don't HAVE any illegal music on my PC (I actually only buy video game music, which I IMPORT AND PAY FOR). I actually respect the music I buy, from such BRITISH groups as BLACK SABBATH and QUEEN. I only download FREE MUSIC THAT IS AUTHORIZED FOR DOWNLOAD, such as remixes on OCREMIX.org! And I don't want royalties, I want you to only charge SHIPPING AND HANDLING + COST OF A BLANK DVD or restribute them online AND I want you to give us credit for OUR stuff.

Thank you.

I like how he avoided all of your questions/rebuttals. He should work for congress Wink

This guy is gonna get his comeuppance, soon enough.

[quote]More ranting from him:

Do you by chance download any mp3s without paying for them?

- You are a moron.  While downloading (C) material is ILLEGAL, if one were to download mp3s, I seriously doubt they RESELL THEM.  That is PIRACY. Downloading MP3s IS NOT ILLEGAL, believe it or not, it is the act of DISTRIBUTING THEM FREELY.  It is the distributor, not the consumer.  So even if I did download mp3s before, I would never re-distribute them nor re-sell them.  YOU, however, RESELL (C) material.  You are engaging in piracy.

OHhhhhh shoes on the  other foot ? what a shame, you americans have ripped off thousands of pounds from artists worldwide, and you use bit torrent for films!

- We don't rip off "pounds" in America, we rip off "dollars".  I'm not here to get into a philosophical and moral debate, that is not the point nor relevant to the immediate issue at hand.  The issue at hand is this:

You got caught reselling (C) material.
You admitted it openly on eBay.
The authorities will deal with you.

That's all that you should concern yourself with.  And oh yeah, just in case you didn't hear all the way over there in Great Britian, people actually got SUED for redsitributing (C) music/movies/games here.  The law does apply to even us Americans, as "arrogant" as everyone thinks we are.

But since your wallet was never affected, you didn't care, now that someone has done to you, its an all out war! ha get a grip,

- I AM NOT MAD ABOUT NOT GETTING MONEY YOU IDIOT!  I DO NOT WANT MONEY FROM MY SPEED RUNS!  YOU ARE MISSING THE DAMN POINT.  The point is I MADE THIS STUFF FOR FREE!  ALL I WANT IF PEOPLE USE THIS STUFF IS CREDIT AND FOR ANYONE WHO REDISTRIBUTES IT TO NOT RESTRICT ACCESS THROUGH TECHNICAL OR ECONOMIC MEANS!  You really don't get it, do you?

I'll pay you any royaltys if you first buy all the music you have downloaded on your PC. Fair deal? didn't think so.

- Considering I don't HAVE any illegal music on my PC (I actually only buy video game music, which I IMPORT AND PAY FOR).  I actually respect the music I buy, from such BRITISH groups as BLACK SABBATH and QUEEN.  I only download FREE MUSIC THAT IS AUTHORIZED FOR DOWNLOAD, such as remixes on OCREMIX.org!  And I don't want royalties, I want you to only charge SHIPPING AND HANDLING + COST OF A BLANK DVD or restribute them online AND I want you to give us credit for OUR stuff.

Thank you.[/quote]

I like how he avoided all of your questions/rebuttals.  He should work for congress ;)

This guy is gonna get his comeuppance, soon enough.

TSA

Edit history:

TSA: 2005-12-29 07:55:21 pm

2005-12-29 07:50:00 pm

Retired

Edit: I have some time now, so here:

I looked up this address through a directory service to get their phone # and I also e-mailed them:

G4 Media, Inc.
12100 West Olympic Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90064
Fax: (310) 979-5100
E-mail: webmaster@g4tv.com

This was on G4's Legal/Privacy page:

Infringement notices addressed to G4's Designated Agent need to include the following information so that G4 can locate the Material and properly process the request:

1.An electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright or other intellectual property interest in the Material;

2.a description of the copyrighted work or other intellectual property that you claim has been infringed;

3.a description of where the Material that you claim is infringing is located on the Site;

4.your address, telephone number, and email address;

5.a statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the disputed use of the Material is not authorized by the copyright or intellectual property owner, its agent, or the law; and

6.a statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright or intellectual property owner or authorized to act on the copyright or intellectual property owner's behalf.

----------------

I provided all of that. I then received a call from G4's legal department, and they said they would remove all speed runs along with my Zelda run (because I did say more would follow suit after I did).

That's all it took.

Edit: I have some time now, so here:

I looked up this address through a directory service to get their phone # and I also e-mailed them:

G4 Media, Inc.
12100 West Olympic Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90064
Fax: (310) 979-5100
E-mail: webmaster@g4tv.com

This was on G4's Legal/Privacy page:

Infringement notices addressed to G4's Designated Agent need to include the following information so that G4 can locate the Material and properly process the request:

1.An electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright or other intellectual property interest in the Material;

2.a description of the copyrighted work or other intellectual property that you claim has been infringed;

3.a description of where the Material that you claim is infringing is located on the Site;

4.your address, telephone number, and email address;

5.a statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the disputed use of the Material is not authorized by the copyright or intellectual property owner, its agent, or the law; and

6.a statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright or intellectual property owner or authorized to act on the copyright or intellectual property owner's behalf.

----------------

I provided all of that.  I then received a call from G4's legal department, and they said they would remove all speed runs along with my Zelda run (because I did say more would follow suit after I did).

That's all it took.

DAMURDOC

2005-12-29 08:55:51 pm

The BaldurManiac

I agree with you TSA 100%, we do not make money out of our speed runs, we do it for the love.

JediTry

2005-12-29 10:00:53 pm

Semi-retired FPS expert

Quote:

I provided all of that. I then received a call from G4's legal department, and they said they would remove all speed runs along with my Zelda run (because I did say more would follow suit after I did).

That's all it took.

If there is one thing some companies have learned from previous lawsuits it is that there often is no messing with the American legal system. The fines can be insane...

TSA

2005-12-29 10:09:54 pm

Retired

no probs, i can send you a scan of a reciept from the shop i buy disks from,
and the reason i don't put most of them on auction, is i don't want
anyone to pay more than they are worth, the price i sell them for is already reasonable, if they were a ripp off people wouldn't buy them,and the people who buy them are the best ones to ask, and they have already given me good feedback

- The problem beyond the fact you are selling (C) materials is the fact that you can't sell guides without permission of the game creator. Brady Games - the biggest guide maker in the world - has to obtain a license from the game companies to make a player's guide. This is not my dominion and I can't enforce it, but technically "selling" a guide is illegal if you do not have a license from the game maker. That is why GameFAQs exists - free guides are okay. That is why our speed runs are also approved, we distribute them for free. If we charged to view them, we would get in trouble. While I am sure you do a good job making the DVDs and it takes work, just know that making a guide and selling it is another whole area of legality.

I checked the difference in price from your SDA and its about $4-6
dollers at the most! The zelda disk set is how many? 10 disks, and for only 8.99, with easy to navigate themed menu system, colour disk covers for each disk, and a box & cover for that too! how much do you charge for the equivalent zelda?

- I assure you the SDA DVDs come with menus, boxes with artwork, and discs with artwork. It is not that hard to do, either. I believe Nate charges 5 for a Blank DVD and 5 for shipping, but that "5 for shipping" is standard for multiple discs as well - you could order 5 DVDs and get them for 5 dollars shipping. If you send your OWN blank DVD, he will make it for you for free.

The site says they don't make DVD's anymore, just data disks only. Do
you know the owner of the site?

Nathan Jahnke. Go to www.metroid2002.com and contact him.

I would gladly pull ALL my own auctions from ebay, if you were to give
me distribution rights for any DVD orders from your website, and instead
of me making a profit, it would be shared amoungst you, and the website.

That is a very good idea i think, how about it?

- That's up to Nate, as he is the one who handles all this. He does, however, have my permission to use my videos. I would also like to point out that these videos are actually hosted on ARCHIVE.org - you might want to read their legal policy here: http://www.archive.org/about/terms.php. I am just letting you know they have a (C) infringement policy as well.

If they were not a reasonable price people wouldn't buy them, yes, i
make a profit, thats the only thing that motivates me to put in the work
to make them available to sell them, and if you think that by making
£2-£4 profit is bad, then maybe you should work for a company that
doesn't make profits, and see how fast your job lasts, which wouldn't be
long at all, and then you wouldn't be paid, then you couldn't buy games
to play or buy food, or shelter,

- I know the basic principles of economics. What I think you don't know is the basic principles of Intellectual Property and Commerce Law.

And a link to each one? does your local 7/11 shop tell you that you
shouldn't buy from them, you should go to their supplier?

- You are really bad at analogies. On every product is the COMPANY INFORMATION of where the item came from, even at 7/11's. You are selling OUR product, you have to at the very least put OUR contact information. That would be - Speed Demos Archive, www.speeddemosarchive.com.

No chance, i don't mind writing that i get them from the website

- That is good, that's what I want you to do.

but people arn't buying them just to see your name, get real! you obviosuly want the fame.

- Fame and Credit are two different things. I could care less if they remember my name or want to know who did it. I don't care who directed an action movie - I care about it being entertaining. Yet, you still have to credit that director who nobody cares about. It's the law.

Like i said, the author title will be on the cover, which i'm sure
many people will complain about

- They don't complain about this on CDs, DVDs, Books or Magazines...I don't see why they would complain now.

People are buying ZELDA because they have played the game, they don't
care about your name, and who done it.

- Your writing skills are really deterring your messages, and I am not being rude, but very serious. I think you meant People buy the guides because for help on the games, not because they care who made the guide, right? I couldn't agree more. But I don't see how this relates to our issue at hand.

The people who do care about the credit are the community of people making them in the first place.

- Well, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. I don't really need anymore "fame" from speed runs than I already had before I made them. And I can assure you more than just the "speed running" community cares about the work we do.

As they enjoy the banter of knowing whos who, and creating friends, and
communicating with other like minded gamers, and then trying to prove
they can beat their records.

- How is this relevant to the issue at hand?

no probs, i can send you a scan of a reciept from the shop i buy disks from,
and the reason i don't put most of them on auction, is i don't want 
anyone to pay more than they are worth, the price i sell them for is already reasonable, if they were a ripp off people wouldn't buy them,and the people who buy them are the best ones to ask, and they have already given me good feedback

- The problem beyond the fact you are selling (C) materials is the fact that you can't sell guides without permission of the game creator.  Brady Games - the biggest guide maker in the world - has to obtain a license from the game companies to make a player's guide.  This is not my dominion and I can't enforce it, but technically "selling" a guide is illegal if you do not have a license from the game maker.  That is why GameFAQs exists - free guides are okay.  That is why our speed runs are also approved, we distribute them for free.  If we charged to view them, we would get in trouble.  While I am sure you do a good job making the DVDs and it takes work, just know that making a guide and selling it is another whole area of legality.

I checked the difference in price from your SDA and its about $4-6 
dollers at the most! The zelda disk set is how many? 10 disks, and for only 8.99, with easy to navigate themed menu system, colour disk covers for each disk, and a box & cover for that too! how much do you charge for the equivalent zelda?

- I assure you the SDA DVDs come with menus, boxes with artwork, and discs with artwork.  It is not that hard to do, either.  I believe Nate charges 5 for a Blank DVD and 5 for shipping, but that "5 for shipping" is standard for multiple discs as well - you could order 5 DVDs and get them for 5 dollars shipping.  If you send your OWN blank DVD, he will make it for you for free.

The site says they don't make DVD's anymore, just data disks only. Do 
you know the owner of the site?

Nathan Jahnke.  Go to www.metroid2002.com and contact him.

I would gladly pull ALL my own auctions from ebay, if you were to give 
me distribution rights for any DVD orders from your website, and instead 
of me making a profit, it would be shared amoungst you, and the website.

That is a very good idea i think, how about it?

- That's up to Nate, as he is the one who handles all this.  He does, however, have my permission to use my videos.  I would also like to point out that these videos are actually hosted on ARCHIVE.org - you might want to read their legal policy here: http://www.archive.org/about/terms.php.  I am just letting you know they have a (C) infringement policy as well.

If they were not a reasonable price people wouldn't buy them, yes, i 
make a profit, thats the only thing that motivates me to put in the work 
to make them available to sell them, and if you think that by making 
£2-£4 profit is bad, then maybe you should work for a company that 
doesn't make profits, and see how fast your job lasts, which wouldn't be 
long at all, and then you wouldn't be paid, then you couldn't buy games 
to play or buy food, or shelter,

- I know the basic principles of economics.  What I think you don't know is the basic principles of Intellectual Property and Commerce Law.

And a link to each one? does your local 7/11 shop tell you that you 
shouldn't buy from them, you should go to their supplier?

- You are really bad at analogies.  On every product is the COMPANY INFORMATION of where the item came from, even at 7/11's.  You are selling OUR product, you have to at the very least put OUR contact information.  That would be - Speed Demos Archive, www.speeddemosarchive.com.

No chance, i don't mind writing that i get them from the website

- That is good, that's what I want you to do.

but people arn't buying them just to see your name, get real! you obviosuly want the fame.

- Fame and Credit are two different things.  I could care less if they remember my name or want to know who did it.  I don't care who directed an action movie - I care about it being entertaining.  Yet, you still have to credit that director who nobody cares about.  It's the law.

Like i said, the author title will be on the cover,  which i'm sure 
many  people will complain about

- They don't complain about this on CDs, DVDs, Books or Magazines...I don't see why they would complain now.

People are buying ZELDA because they have played the game, they don't 
care about your name, and who done it.

- Your writing skills are really deterring your messages, and I am not being rude, but very serious.  I think you meant People buy the guides because for help on the games, not because they care who made the guide, right?  I couldn't agree more.  But I don't see how this relates to our issue at hand.

The people who do care about the credit are the community of people making them in the first place.

- Well, I'm going to let you in on a little secret.  I don't really need anymore "fame" from speed runs than I already had before I made them.  And I can assure you more than just the "speed running" community cares about the work we do.

As they enjoy the banter of knowing whos who, and creating friends, and 
communicating with other like minded gamers, and then trying to prove 
they can beat their records.

- How is this relevant to the issue at hand?

TSA

2005-12-29 10:10:08 pm

Retired

Sorry to rain on your parade but if you were given celebraty status for
your speed runs, and offered contracts to play games all day, you would
turn them down, because you do it for love?

- Actually, yes. My work is actually more than just speed runs, so I may be different from the rest. I am first and foremost a Zelda fan. I care about Zelda a lot, and no one fan is above the series. I run a site, I try to bring as much content to fans as possible so they can enjoy the series as much as possible, and I try to increase the popularity and well-being of Zelda. I would not sell-out and betray that which I have worked so long and hard for in the Zelda community.

You make them for one reason, to see your name in lights.

- What lights? What fame? Do you see me on TV or something? Do I live in a mansion, making millions and having hundreds of fangirls weeping at my feet with posters of me? Not even the biggest gamer in the world, Fatal1ty, has that, as much as he thinks he's "Michael Jordan" to the gaming world. We're a bunch of nerds who are just enjoying our hobby. Nothing more, nothing less. It's for the love of the game.

I sell them for one reason, to make a profit,

- Understand this. You didn't make the videos. You did NO WORK. You say you "burn them, edit them, package them". Oh wow. I SAID BEFORE, if anyone could do that, PIRACY would be LEGAL. What you are doing is PIRACY because you have NO LEGAL AGREEMENT with anyone who made those runs (except for your own) to sell them! There is nothing wrong with trying to make a living if you do it LEGALLY. All you are doing is leaching off our stuff.

So when you say i don't get it, are you sure?

If you didn't care about the fame that could go with your "achievements"
you wouldn't have even made them in the first place, and you certainly
wouldn't be bothering me about giving "credit".

- I make the videos because people did not believe claims made. You don't get it because you are not one of us. Any old joe can say "I beat this game in 5 seconds". Where's the proof? Where's the truth in that statement? For years, that is how it was. Now, we have a way to show off real stuff. Yes, the videos are the important thing, not the runners, but the videos matter for the purpos of evidence and proof. That is why we make them.

as a possibility I would prefer to keep things as they are, and send you
money via paypal, as i have already checked with international copyright, and the fact that you played it makes no difference,Its the copyright of the game maker that matters only. you don't own the copyright to your moves in the game.

- If you really want to go toe to tee with me over this, perhaps you should know I'm a business partner with Nitendo of America, Inc for my professional job. I'm very friendly with their legal team and I do have permission for my runs, which they know about and have actually used to help develop future Zelda titles (ie to avoid obvious oversights we've exploited in the past). And this is not an idol threat. If you're not going to get down off your mislead high horse, I will bring you back crashing down to reality fast and hard. The simple fact is you're a quack and a charletan.

I played them as they are free to download, there is nothing to say i
can't do what i already have done, no copyright protection. You arn't aloud to copyright someone elses property, ie the property of nintendo, so how can you possibly sub-copyright it?

- Crash course 101 in Intelelctual Property - Performance Rights - Any and all authors/creators of a public performance, including existing (C) works, are not infringing upon the original (C) holder's rights as long as the work is explicitly make it clear the content you are reperforming, the act does not cause financial damage to the original work, and no monetary value is gained by the performer. The content, is of course, (C) the original creator (in this case, Nintendo). But the PERFORMANCE (ie the speed run), is (C) me. And yes, I had a lawyer interpret this for me two years ago and this is what he told me.

Would you like to make a lot more speed runs & get paid for them? Give up your full time job, and play games all day? If nintendo came to you and said "we want to crown you the king of zelda, and make you a celebrity, send you round the world, you'll be on TV & everything, you would be sucking CEO dick, make no mistake about that!!!!"

- You are the worst arguer in the history of internet morons that I have ever met. No joke. You can't even stay on point and you're all over the place and 90% of what you are saying is tangental to the issue at hand.

Sorry to rain on your parade but if you were given celebraty status for 
your speed runs, and offered contracts to play games all day, you would 
turn them down, because you do it for love?

- Actually, yes.  My work is actually more than just speed runs, so I may be different from the rest.  I am first and foremost a Zelda fan.  I care about Zelda a lot, and no one fan is above the series.  I run a site, I try to bring as much content to fans as possible so they can enjoy the series as much as possible, and I try to increase the popularity and well-being of Zelda.  I would not sell-out and betray that which I have worked so long and hard for in the Zelda community.

You make them for one reason, to see your name in lights.

- What lights? What fame?  Do you see me on TV or something?  Do I live in a mansion, making millions and having hundreds of fangirls weeping at my feet with posters of me?  Not even the biggest gamer in the world, Fatal1ty, has that, as much as he thinks he's "Michael Jordan" to the gaming world.  We're a bunch of nerds who are just enjoying our hobby.  Nothing more, nothing less.  It's for the love of the game.

I sell them for one reason, to make a profit,

- Understand this.  You didn't make the videos.  You did NO WORK.  You say you "burn them, edit them, package them".  Oh wow.  I SAID BEFORE, if anyone could do that, PIRACY would be LEGAL.  What you are doing is PIRACY because you have NO LEGAL AGREEMENT with anyone who made those runs (except for your own) to sell them!  There is nothing wrong with trying to make a living if you do it LEGALLY.  All you are doing is leaching off our stuff.

So when you say i don't get it, are you sure?

If you didn't care about the fame that could go with your "achievements" 
you wouldn't have even made them in the first place, and you certainly 
wouldn't be bothering me about giving "credit".

- I make the videos because people did not believe claims made.  You don't get it because you are not one of us.  Any old joe can say "I beat this game in 5 seconds".  Where's the proof?  Where's the truth in that statement?  For years, that is how it was.  Now, we have a way to show off real stuff.  Yes, the videos are the important thing, not the runners, but the videos matter for the purpos of evidence and proof.  That is why we make them.
 
as a possibility I would prefer to keep things as they are, and send you 
money via paypal, as i have already checked with international copyright, and the fact that you played it makes no difference,Its the copyright of the game maker that matters only. you don't own the copyright to your moves in the game.

- If you really want to go toe to tee with me over this, perhaps you should know I'm a business partner with Nitendo of America, Inc for my professional job.  I'm very friendly with their legal team and I do have permission for my runs, which they know about and have actually used to help develop future Zelda titles (ie to avoid obvious oversights we've exploited in the past).  And this is not an idol threat.  If you're not going to get down off your mislead high horse, I will bring you back crashing down to reality fast and hard.   The simple fact is you're a quack and a charletan.

I played them as they are free to download, there is nothing to say i 
can't do what i already have done, no copyright protection. You arn't aloud to copyright someone elses property, ie the property of nintendo, so how can you possibly sub-copyright it?

- Crash course 101 in Intelelctual Property - Performance Rights - Any and all authors/creators of a public performance, including existing (C) works, are not infringing upon the original (C) holder's rights as long as the work is explicitly make it clear the content you are reperforming, the act does not cause financial damage to the original work, and no monetary value is gained by the performer.  The content, is of course, (C) the original creator (in this case, Nintendo).  But the PERFORMANCE (ie the speed run), is (C) me.  And yes, I had a lawyer interpret this for me two years ago and this is what he told me.

Would you like to make a lot more speed runs & get paid for them? Give up your full time job, and play games all day? If nintendo came to you and said "we want to crown you the king of zelda, and make you a celebrity, send you round the world, you'll be on TV & everything, you would be sucking CEO dick, make no mistake about that!!!!"

- You are the worst arguer in the history of internet morons that I have ever met.  No joke.  You can't even stay on point and you're all over the place and 90% of what you are saying is tangental to the issue at hand.

Dark

2005-12-29 10:22:08 pm

He really don't understand... he's more Idiot than I though. Still Nice talk to him.

ballofsnow

2005-12-29 10:22:16 pm

Complete and utter ownage. Good work TSA. 8)

YautjaElder

2005-12-29 10:26:06 pm

Speed is the key.

Keep bowling with him, he doesn´t know who he´s dealing with.

Psychochild

2005-12-29 10:26:47 pm

(Reads TSA's latest post of absolute pwning)

Someone fucked with the wrong guy. >.>

TSA

2005-12-29 10:26:48 pm

Retired

I'm not trying to "own" him, I'm trying to make him understand! He doesn't even think what he is doing is wrong! I already said if he'd acknowledge what he did was wrong, ask for our permission and then just sell them at production cost (like what Nate does) since Nate isn't doing it anymore, I'd be happy to let him do that to bring the runs to other people.

But he still insists on this "profit" thing. He still thinks we get fame and fortune off these runs, and that we do it for the money or something.

I could care less if it was me who got through to him, just somebody needs to get him to change his mind about this.

Psychochild

Edit history:

Psychochild: 2005-12-29 10:36:50 pm

2005-12-29 10:35:59 pm

Well, we understand that, TSA, but when the guy's as much of a moron as this, he just sets himself up it. His logic is baffling, his arguements are just sad, he's completely disillusioned about how and why we do it and the "Fame" that it nets us (2 PMs! WOOT!). Just, wow.

Dark

2005-12-29 10:40:12 pm

He just wants to sell them, he don't care if he win or lose the ''war'' with TSA. Some people just want to do their things and don't gave a sh!t about other's opinion, even if they are really good to stop them (example: Law)

slYnki

2005-12-29 10:51:47 pm

XXY

I'm with TSA, and Dark.... Which is strange to say, because I'm in agreeance with TSA that if he were to ask for our permission first, give us credit and all that, no one would really mind if their runs were being used, I suppose. But I'm also with Dark in saying that it's highly doubtful that some asshole over eBay is going to acknowledge our plight.

Mad_Andy

2005-12-29 10:53:31 pm

Hehe, nice ownage there TSA Tongue

Someone please give a brain to that guy as a late christmas present. He really needs one. :-/

RandomEngy

2005-12-29 10:59:05 pm

A Crab

I think you should just ignore his ramblings and give a tough bottom line: play nice or we'll shut you down. If he replies with anything other than "you're right I'll take down my auctions and arrange for getting permission" simply report him to eBay and that will be that.

Although you might hear from him after that. He'll be either much more humble or much more angry and incoherent, in which case you can post his rant here for us to laugh at.

TSA

2005-12-29 11:27:26 pm

Retired

ebay is slower than molasses in January when responding to issues like this.

Optime

2005-12-30 12:00:00 am

March 16, 2010

I think this individual's going down big time for violating copyrights and being an inconsiderate and overzealous moron in principle. (begin Stewie Griffin voice) Except, like fellow Edinburgh-dweller Thomas Muir, he will actually have to worry about lying with a straight face when all is said and done. (end Stewie voice)

To understand the joke, click here and read the end of the fourth to last paragraph: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRmuir.htm