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Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!
Glad to see so many folks getting into the game, this is the crowd I feel Origins deserved but never really got Tongue

Some W3 for ya.

3-2 Spoiled Rotten in 30.83

Don't even talk to me about this level, like just don't. Absolute nightmare.

3-4 Snakes on a Cake in 28.13

Hard to plan, easy to execute imo.
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Can't stop me. Can't bring me down.
So if you thought the rayman lum leader boards were hacked this is a video I made to explain how they actually probably did it.



Linked because Cryptic is better then me and apparently his embedding youtube stuff works and mine doesn't.
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Quote from GameDevBrian:
So if you thought the rayman lum leader boards were hacked this is a video I made to explain how they actually probably did it.



Linked because Cryptic is better then me and apparently his embedding youtube stuff works and mine doesn't.


That's what happens when you use .be. Direct copy your URL instead of using the share tab, www and all. Dunno why Taiga doesn't support .be....But it doesn't.

As to the link, yeah. That answers a few questions. Doesn't explain how you could hack such super-low times in a Get All Lums Daily though. I imagine shit like that is probably happening with trainers. Still, PC master race, can't help but find exploits like that interesting Tongue

EDIT: Come to think of it wouldn't that be possible on console too?
Mansion of the Deep 27.26 (Actual best is 27.23 but no video)
http://www.twitch.tv/redbuddha/c/2885388

Only difference between the two times is that i got a worse bounce of the stilts enemy but got the pound animation skip on the 27.23.
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Was wondering when you were going to drop that in here ^^ I may have a crack at MotD in the future. 26 indeed seems feasible. Smiley

From my end we got
3-3 I've Got A Filling Invaded in '29.38'


Will have one for 3-5 later to finish W3. Struggling with it, damn cake >_<
Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!
Finally got 3-5 done. 16 levels done in under 8 minutes. Seems like I'm on par for my aim atm Tongue

3-5 Lucha Libre Get Away in 30.61


Atm I kind of feel like sitting back, idk maybe drilling some of the normal levels into my head. Get some start up practice for W2 any% possibly.
So as usual with most PC games you can skip most of the .bik movie files to load the game quicker.. publisher logos etc by just renaming it.

With this method you can skip the intro cutscene on new game as well. I am guessing this would not be allowed? lol
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Amma take a wild guess and say no. You mean rename the executable? Does that actually still work through uPlay?

Also guys what levels do we KNOW we are going to skip in any%?
I remember What the Duck? got struck down as a definite. What others? I didn't see all of any of the route streams, so I'm not entirely sure what's agreed upon as is >_>
Obviously I just mean DEFINITE skips. Anything close to the line should and will be examined closer Smiley
No. If you go to your C:/*/Rayman Legends/video and rename the 'cine_gameintro.bik' to anything else. when you start a new game now it skips the narration video and goes straight to the scene with the guys being kidnapped and rayman waking.
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Twyn: 2013-09-08 09:58:47 am
About death abuse.

On some bosses (phase 1 of 1st boss, phase 2 of meca murray, phase 1&2 of the final boss) we can death abuse to skip part of cut scenes. It's sometimes faster to go menu>restart sequence. It's the same thing but faster (?) and more precise (?).

Acefrog : let's not modify game files. First because for races versus consoles. Also because it shouldnt be authorize anyway.

Here is my route :

Do everything, including a lot of king/queen and w2 first princess. I skip some on instinct. I usually end up with 8tickets.
After w4, scratch tickets and get 10 on geyser blast
do the 3remaining time trials available on w1
skip shields up and down and the great lava pursuit on w5.

But it would be faster to do 1less time trial, and do best original score and skip elevator ambush. (so make sure to get 450 on levels it's easy)
Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!
Okay. I've compiled a googledoc with the formulas set up to tell us a few things and to make some obvious things easier.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AobvdiHpEdVFdHBLcGhvRVNMcVBZaEhEWWoxUnBzekE#gid=0

Here is what I've done. Obviously set it up so times can be put in via the style that SpikeVegeta has been doing thus far, so this is mainly for him to edit. Hopefully in time we can expand this and add Origins levels etc, but FOR NOW this is for easier data and info sharing once he finishes the sweep he's on atm. Locked for editing to all but me at the moment, Spike let me know if you have a google/gmail/whatever account (PM obviously) so I can have you sole editor until you are done, also all of the data in there already is straight out of your post, so just fill in what you've done since and/or what you do in W5. If you don't have an account I can give you editor with I guess I'll just open it up.

Hopefully once you finish that up the spreads will help us determine the best bonuses TRULY (even with W1/2 only some of them are very telling). I may myself do what I did with Origins bonuses and find all the fastest strategies and put my own times into the King and Queen columns. BUT THAT'S LATER.

Columns:-
-Level - Obvious. [R] means it's a required level.

-Time - The time taken to get all eight teensies. Timing is from entering the painting to the same spot when exiting (at least I'm pretty sure that's SVs timing). Note it isn't in regular time format. Forgive me but I am too derpy to execute formulae whilst converting a time format into a whole number. Even a 5-minute google search didn't help!!!! I'm sure it's possible though. REGARDLESS. It is set up to be whole seconds, so 1:20.5 = 80.5 etc.

-TS - Teensy Spread - This is the amount of second per teensy to grab every teensy in the level and complete it. This is set up as a formula, so this should not be touched. It is adjusted accordingly for 3 level teensies so don't worry.

-King - The amount of time it takes to get the King Teensy bonus, timed from diverting from the main path to returning to it after completing the bonus.

-KTS - King Teensy Spread - Same as Teensy Spread, but if you were to grab the King. Formula, so don't touch this.

-Queen - The amount of time it takes to get the Queen Teensy bonus, timed from diverting from the main path to returning to it after completing the bonus.

-QTS - Queen Teensy Spread - Same as Teensy Spread, but if you were to grab the Queen. Formula, so don't touch this.

-ATS - All Teensy Spread - This is the culmination of the spreads, being the average seconds per teensy to collect every teensy in a level and complete it, including the King and Queen.


The only concession to remember with this is the minute to second mishap. So you will need to convert level times into seconds. Other than that, just fill in Time, King and Queen, and the rest should be done for you. Unless I've botched it completely, idk I was never good at this type of work lol.

I think that's everything ^^ Hope it helps! Cheesy
did you base the world 1 and 2 data off of spikes stuff or are they times you collected on your own?
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UberGoose: 2013-09-10 04:55:57 pm
Alright, watching Spike routing Amazing Maze made me realize that the level is very confusing, so I whipped up a low resolution image of the entire level (minus the chase) as a single image.

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Q:
Quote from Bornaparte:
did you base the world 1 and 2 data off of spikes stuff or are they times you collected on your own?


A:
Quote from CrypticJacknife:
also all of the data in there already is straight out of your post, so just fill in what you've done since and/or what you do in W5


So I just did a quick W1/2 RTA using the almighty average to deduce of the 18 extra teensies needed outside of the non-bonuses I'd grab 8 of them. Yeah that's likely to be a higher number for W1 and 2 but for now it at least gives me a beat on the shorter bonuses. 36:02 from hitting new game to finishing 1-6 Invasion after the toad boss (ending with 105/260 needed). Pretty good considering how many flubs and deaths there were ^^

Thinking spike is asleep atm I'll probably just jump on to one of his VODs and copy over the remaining data. Afaik W5 hasn't been touched, so it won't be complete, but the more we have on a pedestal the better Smiley (nvm apparently he DID do W5, this'll be easy now)

Ooh also yeah, that W1 boss cutscene skip works really well. I also noticed BY MISTAKE (thank god this happened lol) after I killed the Toad boss I derped and forgot to keep flying so I fell and die, then respawned with the punch-to-space being set up. Not sure how much that saves, no where near as much as W1 I'm sure, but interesting to note.
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Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!
Updated to reflect up to 5-2. Here is what I can see straight off the bat:-
http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AobvdiHpEdVFdHBLcGhvRVNMcVBZaEhEWWoxUnBzekE#gid=0

- For some reason you decided not to time Elevator Ambush. Why? Same with 3-P2 and 4-P2. I presume any princess rooms beyond will require more than 260 so no need for them.
- 4-1 is the fastest teensy for time level in the main game only seconded by 1-3 O-O
- All of World 2 main levels look like definites
- If you go to 4-3, it's literally better for your seconds per teensy spread to grab both bonuses, or it becomes LESS worth it to visit the level. That being said, this level is more shoe-in to be cut than even 3-1.
- As of now World 3 seems to have the overall worst teensy for time propositions.
- Late game so far seems to have better bonus teensies (it's like anti-Origins)
- If we indeed skip 3-1, 4-3, or both, our best resort for make up is 2-P1, which by far has the best and only feasible time for a princess level
- 5-1 is totally in. Oh shit.

How many bonuses are we realistically looking to pick up through the game? If we skip levels the need becomes much higher for bonuses obviously, but that I presume will be counteracted with a super fast few Origin levels (afaik its GB then BOS THEN Hi-ho (which I presume is where we will stop)

Looking at that, say we skip two levels in the main game, make up 3 of those potential 16 with 2-P1. That would leave us with 211 if my math is correct. A couple of Origins levels and that would go up, so what are we looking at around 20 total for the game? 25?

From the information gathered, I can deduct one thing. No-ticket any% gets hit hard in W4 and 5. See below
ANY% NO TICKETS


1-1 8 - 008/260
1-2 8+K - 017/260
1-3 8+Q - 026/260
1-4 8+A - 036/260
1-5 8 - 044/260
1-6 8+K - 053/260 [30 REQUIRED]
1-B 3 - 056/260

2-1 8+Q - 065/260
2-2 8+A - 075/260
2-P 3 - 078/260
2-3 8+Q - 087/260
2-4 8+K - 096/260
2-5 8 - 104/260 [80 REQUIRED]
2-B 3  - 107/260

1-6 3  - 110/260 (invasion)

3-1 8+K - 120/260
3-2 8 - 128/260
3-3 8+A - 138/260
3-4 8 - 146/260
3-5 3 - 150/260 [135 REQUIRED]
3-B 3 - 152/260

4-1 8 - 160/260
4-2 8+K - 169/260
4-3 8+A - 179/260
4-4 8+Q - 188/260
4-5 8 - 196/260
4-6 3 - 199/260 [195 REQUIRED]
4-B 3 - 202/260

5-1 8 - 210/260
5-2 8+K - 219/260
5-3 8 - 227/260
5-4 8 - 235/260
5-5 8 - 241/260
5-6 0 - 241/260 [260 REQUIRED]
5-B 0 - 241/260

19 missing at the end? Jesus christ even with the remaining bonuses to time it's not looking too hot for no ticket at the moment.

EDIT: NVM I wasted an entire night researching for zero reason. THX Guys.
Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!
5-4 Great Lava Pursuit in 28.98

Momentum
i vant to do nothing
Found what I believe to be some very slight time savers in my first casual playthrough. It seems you can trigger some boss cycles quicker than intended by suiciding just beyond the checkpoint/screen transitions of the bosses.
we have known about those for like 5 days
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
So, I'm going to post all my times tonight, but if you want, you can go check my channel now where I am testing out my route. If all goes right, the cut-off point should be 21.2 Seconds.
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
So I'll post the times tomorrow for different Teensys, but I figured I would post my route for anyone looking for it. I used this tonight and got an absolutely god-awful 2:15, but I really think 1:35 or so is going to happen within the month. Note that this route is based off of MY PERSONAL 260 fastest, however I tried to implement all realistic Single Segment strats, and often my Invasion times we're within 1 or 2 seconds of Cryptic's best, so while improvements can be made to my times, I feel confident in this route being a good starting place for any%

1-1: 8 -        8/260
1-2: 8+Q -  17/260
1-3: 8+K-    26/260
1-4: 8+K/Q  36/260(Ticket?)
1-5: 8          44/260(Ticket)
1-6: 8+Q    53/260(Ticket)
1-B: 3        56/260(Ticket)

2-1: 8+K  65/260
2-2: 8+K/Q 75/260
2-P: 3        78/260
2-3: 8+K  87/260
2-4: 8+Q  96/260
2-5: 8    104/260
1-6 Invasion: 3  107/260
2-B:  3    110/260(Ticket)


3-2: 8+K  119/260
3-3: 8+K/Q 129/260
3-4: 8+Q  138/260
3-5: 3      141/260(Ticket)
3-B: 3      144/260(Ticket)

4-1: 8      152/260
4-2: 8+Q  161/260
4-4: 8+K  170/260(Ticket?)
4-5: 8      178/260(Ticekt)

(Scratch 5 Tickets, Warp to Geyser Blast)

Geyser Blast: 8+K/Q  188/260

(Warp to Main Gallery)

5-1: 8      196/260
5-2: 8+Q  205/260
5-3: 10  215/260
5-5: 8  223/260

(Use Menu to Warp to There's Always a Bigger Fish)

4-6: 3  226/260
4-B: 3  229/260

(Scratch your other 5 Tickets to gain a Free Teensy(230) and Unlock Best Original Score, then Warp to it)

Best Original Score: 8+K    239/260

(Use Menu to Warp to either a World 1 or World 2 Invasion Level, you should have 7:

World 1: Once Upon a Time, Creepy Castle, Quick Sand
World 2: Castle in the Clouds, Altitude Quickness, When Toads Fly

doing all 7 of these in under 40 seconds a piece will give you 260/260 Teensies

At this point, use the Menu to warp to Hell Breaks Loose and finish the game.

To note for an alternative couple of Teensies that we're in the same ball park as the other "Slower" Teensies in this route, you could skip the Princess Level from World 2, and Skip Once Upon a Time Invasion(this one can be tricky to have consistent good times in due to the grass at the end and the butter at the beginning, but that might just be me). If you skip those, you would also warp to World 3 to do Snakes on a Cake and I've got a Filling Invasion Levels instead.

Anyways, I don't doubt that everyone will have their own idea of the ideal route, and again, I don't claim to have the best times in routing this, but I do think that both of the first Origins Levels are absolutely worth it, and at least a few Invasion levels should be in the route no matter what. Again, I'll try to post all my individual level/teensy times tomorrow to show all the research.
BASED SPIKE thanks man
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I'm definitely interested in seeing the stats! Thanks so much for all your work Smiley
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Lmao 2:02:03 with W3 through 5 being blind while bopping to hardcore (haven't touched since normal playthrough, soooo much death hahaha).
What I'm trying to say is

Quote:
DogFace IT WORKS!
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Sooooo I did another one O.O It's 7am now. I should go sleep -.-