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Ok so I'm new here, but I've been speedrunning for years, specifically, a segmented run of TTYD, falling 6 minutes short of James Bunkley's time and have wanted to do a single-segment of this for quite some time now. I have a few reasons for this.

1. Luck factors and dangerous risks can be minimized through segments, however, especially in such a long game, doing a single segment might take much more time. When i did my run where i got 7:31 as a finalized time (Bunkley's is clocked in at 7:11 but his game timer was 7:25) i did not re-do segments, i did it all in one run through, and some segments in one sitting. So technically, even though i saved, it was one segment, but according to SDA's rules and logic, it's multiple segments. Therefore, the time won't even be much lower if i can do this again through some practice, and probably shooting below 8 hours would be awesome.

2. I can withstand 8 hours of gaming in one sitting. Although it's incredibly unhealthy, i have gone several hours without eating while playing games, as it seems to take my mind off of it, and sleep is not a factor since i'm awake for more than 8 hours everyday. As far as the bathroom goes, i refuse to go at school, and recently, work, because it's just weird to me. School is 7 hours, i worked for 8 hours yesterday. I see no reason this should get in the way. Food & drink seems like the biggest problem, but with a game with so much dialouge, some of it goes on for several minutes, so i can just have something next to me and hit A and B with one hand. This doesn't seem like a great idea though, so probably eating before and then being very hungry afterwards would be the best solution.

3. There is no SS of this run. Probably because it's insane, and for some, nearly impossible.

The only real problems i have are summer is closing in, I'm out of practice, and i don't know when i'll have an entire day to myself free. Also, the only recording devices i have are iRecord, which leaves a 5 second watermark everytime you start and stop videos, and is just downright annoying, and a macbook that can record offscreen, which i clearly am not doing. Also, i could find some discs for the DVD player, or even more drastically, move the VCR. I've read that switching tapes/discs is allowed, and since this game has a timer, i don't see alot of problems with that.

I realize this game is pretty old, and hasn't been run in a while, but i hope it doesn't stop people from discussing it. I already realize there are other topics about TTYD, but this one is specifically for a SS of it. So i'm going to begin practicing this run again very soon in the little free time i have, piece by piece, and hopefully come out with something utterly amazing. I'm all for setting records, and this is definitely one I would like to shoot for.

Thanks to those who read this and are interested.
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I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
I'm definitely interested.  Good luck!
Also tenkiforecast
Wow. All I can say is good luck. *thumbs up*
What's your strategy? (For example, which partners you power up, what badges you collect, what stats you'll level up, and similar things)

Something I would recommend that I don't think is used in the current run (I haven't watched it in a long time) is to collect some badges that you don't use that are on the path, and sell them, along with the Attack FX R. You could use the coins to buy more Power Rush badges (you are using Danger Mario, right?) and/or Life Shrooms (in case of mistakes in later battles).
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unreal1: 2008-12-31 12:52:54 pm
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Okay, but do we have to watch it in one sitting?  Undecided
ronrab: thanks, i'll definitely want a ton of practice, since recording multiple runs would require multiple 8 hour sittings, which can be a pain, so i'll definitely work out all the details in segments, and do a few practice runs for the SS before i actually do it.

yoshmaster5: thanks, im probably going to need it.

infinite1up: i will follow a strategy fairly similar to the current multi-segment one, since that's what i used for my 7:31 time. but i definitely will look into seeing if anything like collecting things that he didn't is worth it. Bunkley's time can be improved, i'll tell you that much, even using his own strategy, it's just i got terribly unlucky during the glitz pit on my run and fell behind 6 minutes, but after chapter 1 i was 2 minute ahead, so for a SS, it's going to have alot of luck thrown on it. I don't know if collecting those badges are worth it since while running i didn't seem to run out of fright masks until chapter 5, and after that it's not necessary since danger mario is put in shortly after. i suppose more power rushes wouldn't hurt, but power bounce kills nearly every enemy in 1 jump, 6 hits IIRC, so spending the extra 15 seconds purchasing more might be crucial. I will look into this.

unreal704: yes, i studied bunkley's run for several days and kept all my notes in front of me while i did my segmented run, and i haven't played the game in quite some time now. I will need to either find those notes and make revisions to them, or create new ones. if i somehow get a game over late in the game since danger mario IS dangerous well then i'd probably throw a girly fit. lol. i shouldn't get a gameover through enough practice, but 8 hours of single segment and you never know what an RPG might throw at you.

reality0: i probably would, but i wouldn't assume so. i could suggest that it be split up into multiple files? pause and come back later? lol

I currently have my gamecube and TTYD copy being lent to a friend, but i believe he's done with this, so i will possibly start reviewing the current run to create some notes on things i definitely have forgotten, and begin practicing this weekend.

lol, bunkley's comment page says "I'm probably crazy for picking such a long game..."

i couldn't agree more.
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sleep is not a factor since i'm awake for more than 8 hours everyday.


One hopes.


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pause and come back later? lol


Not 100% sure on this, so you might want to check, but...

When recording, I believe you are actually allowed to do that.  Pause for a break, and have it not count against your time and still keep your 'single segment' tag.  The pause will still be in the video, but the majority of it will be edited out.  I can not be sure of an example at the mo, but an old Super Mario Sunshine run seems to ring a bell.  (Also seem to remember it being discussed in Metroid Prime to avoid loading screens...)

Might be an idea, if at the very least, to stop you from staving yourself.
Enjoy your poopsocking.
Project sounds great! Good luck, I'm definitely interested.
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pause and come back later? lol


Not 100% sure on this, so you might want to check, but...

When recording, I believe you are actually allowed to do that.  Pause for a break, and have it not count against your time and still keep your 'single segment' tag.  The pause will still be in the video, but the majority of it will be edited out.  I can not be sure of an example at the mo, but an old Super Mario Sunshine run seems to ring a bell.  (Also seem to remember it being discussed in Metroid Prime to avoid loading screens...)

Might be an idea, if at the very least, to stop you from staving yourself.




Paused, i think you completely misinterpreted what he was saying there...
You can definately not take a break in the middle of a speedrun... That kind of defeats the purpose of the SPEED factor...

He meant pause the video and come back and watch it later, how about reading the whole post?
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Rdy-kun: 2008-07-29 03:38:55 pm
God is the ultimate prankster. You can't top him.
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Quote from Shura:
pause and come back later? lol


Not 100% sure on this, so you might want to check, but...

When recording, I believe you are actually allowed to do that.  Pause for a break, and have it not count against your time and still keep your 'single segment' tag.  The pause will still be in the video, but the majority of it will be edited out.  I can not be sure of an example at the mo, but an old Super Mario Sunshine run seems to ring a bell.  (Also seem to remember it being discussed in Metroid Prime to avoid loading screens...)

Might be an idea, if at the very least, to stop you from staving yourself.



I believe that is not allowed. There are many ways around this factor for eight-hour speedruns anyway. Quite a few are knocked out because cutscenes in Paper Mario don't run automatically and require buttons to be pressed so the only options are really to bring a bucket or hold it in.

As for the starving yourself comment... well, I've noticed a lot of people that do longer speedruns like this that are single segment tend to have friends there while the speedrun is occurring - this is good to multiple extents because doing anything alone makes things harder because no one is there to bitch at you when you give up. (And I don't mean just speedrunning.)

Speaking of having a friend over, I think that some speedruns were accepted with a friend having gone through some of the cutscenes while the actual player was tending to nature. I'm not sure about this, so I'd have to look it up or someone could verify whether or not this is legal.

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May I pause while recording? What if the telephone rings or I need to go to the bathroom?
If the pausing is beneficial for your speedrun (e.g., speeding up boss fights in Mega Man), it is recommended to do so. However, don't try to manipulate the timer via pausing. We will switch to manual timing in that case, and you would only be hurting your time. Extraneous pausing will not be factored out of your time, and your run will probably be rejected for poor play quality. Thus, before you begin running, it is probably a good idea to go to the bathroom, turn off your cell phone, and eliminate any other possible distractions.
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Paused: 2008-07-29 05:27:25 pm
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I believe that is not allowed.
Edit... 'Rules'


Yeah, just checked them myself.  Thought it was a bit of a long shot.  I am sure there was something like that in 'Sunshine' though, and DK64.  Must just have been pauses to change tapes...

Worth a shot.

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how about reading the whole post?


If you going to type crap like that to me then do me a favor and just shut up.  If you can not see how I was put on that train of thought by that sentence, despite the fact it clearly is not directly related, then you must be very short sighted.
Yes, a cucco riding the ground.
You can definitely go to the bathroom, eat food, or whatever during disc changes. As for elsewhere:

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if the music is contiguous, then we know you aren't cheating and then some of that time is subtracted.
thanks for the support guys, and i should have my game back soon, hopefully tomorrow.

as far as the pausing thing, i did mean pausing for the others who wish to watch it if i get it completed and it is uploaded, however, i do see what he was getting at and it still is on the subject of this whole topic anyway, so no worries.

Manocheese: i never thought about the music, even though it seems simple and logical. thanks.

Rdy-kun: i might have a friend help me and such, as i don't expect to do this whole thing myself. I'll probably have someone read me my notes if i forget something, since my brain will probably start to lose knowledge that i had about 6 hours in im guessing. Also, having him switch the tapes might be a tad faster, so it would reduce the amount of time we have waiting between pausing the game, switching tapes, and continuing the run.

I think it's also unaccepted but if im dying starving then i can have him play the run for 2 or 3 minutes, but it probably won't end up happening, mostly due to the fact that i think that it wouldn't be an acceptable run.

I woke up at 10:30 this morning and didn't have to go to the bathroom until 4, then went and saw the dark knight and got back around 8, and then went. Yes, this is so bad for my health, but training for 8 hour SS runs ftw, lol. Holding it for 4 hours for not wanting to miss any part of an epic movie, and im pretty sure if i go before, i won't have to go during my run at all. Hopefully i do this run before school starts, because i'm on a schedule right now where i wake up late and end up eating 2 meals a day. IIRC, i ate chicken nuggets and fries around 2 and then ate another meal at 9, and was pretty hungry. So food might be a problem, but not a big one. This means while im switching tapes then i don't need to do other things during that pause. If i stay on this schedule and gather some notes tonight and tomorrow on the run, i can begin practicing and probably do this sooner than i expected.

Again, thanks for all your support guys.
actually since you are allowed to pause so you can switch dvd's in a long speed run
you can take s break while switching and not record for a while so no one will konw about the break
I am not a NERD or a GEEK I am a N33K
I was thinking about making a route for 100% but what would be some good guide lines like what would you have to have to get 100% I am thinking you don't need the wario or luigi costume since it is just cosmetic and the sound changing ones you don't need (except the cricket one). you would have to get the star chip things to buy all the badges. upgrading everything should not be included since that would take literaly days. I think just getting the highest rank would be better. What are your thoughts you might not be able to do a speedrun 100% but a fast playthrough you could
i highly doubt we can even get sub-10 hours in a 100% run
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I was thinking about making a route for 100% but what would be some good guide lines like what would you have to have to get 100% I am thinking you don't need the wario or luigi costume since it is just cosmetic and the sound changing ones you don't need (except the cricket one). you would have to get the star chip things to buy all the badges. upgrading everything should not be included since that would take literaly days. I think just getting the highest rank would be better. What are your thoughts you might not be able to do a speedrun 100% but a fast playthrough you could


Your post is off-topic, but for the sake of me being too nice, you do need the costumes and SFX badges because getting every badge is 100%. Upgrading no, and highest rank is over level 40. That takes a while. The speedrun up right now he's at a much lower level, and when i did my run, i was only a few levels over him. Leveling up 20 more times or so would be insane, not to mention getting all those recipies and the tedious badges you don't need. 100% for this game will never be accepted by SDA.


Esplin: it's unaccepted, and i would hate for a near 8 hour run to be ruined because i took a "small break". It's just not worth the risk, and even if i did decide to do it and somehow got away with it, i wouldn't feel as accomplished on this task, and would eventually request it being taken down from the site, or re-do it to beat my own time to have it removed. It's not fair if it's breaking the rules, also, you can tell if i take a long break because it would take a minute to switch tapes or discs, and since the timer runs when on pause, you could clearly see that i would be cheating. Also, i'm not even 100% on my "going-for-100-percent" file and i have over 60 hours, about 15 of those randomly fooling around not accomplishing anything. Sub 20 isn't even an option.

Back on the subject of recording, does SDA accept VHS tapes anymore? or is it all DVD now? I did buy DVD's for this occassion around 2 years ago (for the multi-segment run i never recorded  :-\) and believe i still have them, but could never figure out how to get it to work. It was by far the most complex instrument i have ever used. lol. If i have to, i will spend time on that and figure it out, because then i have discs to record and can just practice practice practice. I'm weaker on the later chapters, since i play the begginnings of alot of games often, so levels i really need work on IIRC are boggly woods, keelhaul key, the moon, and about half of peach's lame missions. However, due to out of practice, i need to practice them all, just those more than others.
Double post sorry, but i just realized the friend that has my game is on vacation and won't be back until sunday, so for now i'm just going to have to watch Bunkley's run and maybe study the guidebook i have a tad to refresh my memory. I'll keep updates next week on how i'm doing in terms of the SS run.
I love how this game is making you make lifestyle changes. Not only do you have to practice the game, you have to practice rebelling against nature.

Anyway, good luck on this (yes, I'm a bit late with this...); a SS that ends up with a similar time to a segemented run, especially with such a long RPG will be quite an achievement.
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I love how this game is making you make lifestyle changes. Not only do you have to practice the game, you have to practice rebelling against nature.

Anyway, good luck on this (yes, I'm a bit late with this...); a SS that ends up with a similar time to a segemented run, especially with such a long RPG will be quite an achievement.


Actually, my whole summer has been this schedule, so it's not life changing, just completely unnatural lol. It will be a struggle, but i can do it. I hope i can keep it under 8 hours. Let's keep in mind that my old run of 7:31 clock time was done in segments, so my mind had time to rest. This is going to be one giant clutter of free time and mental exhaustion. If i can do it though, then it would put a smile on my face. Perhaps i should have tried a shorter run, but this is too good to give up. The onyl reason it's so close is because there's only so many little tricks that you can do, and the 40% of the game that is dialouge is unavoidable, thus making it long, but not a huge gap for every run that's been attempted on this. It all comes down to what strategy you use, manipulating every moment of the game like talking to people and then doing something as opposed to the reverse order for a few seconds faster, and not slipping up on simple things like missing the ledge when in plane form. Other than this, it's just remembering what to do in each area of the game. So as long as i don't slip up too much or get unlucky alot, this will be below 8 hours.

Also, this is my DVD/VCR combo in my living room (foudn this pic on google)


Does anyone know what kind of discs it requires for the DVD half, so i know what to buy and don't somehow screw up my entire run? I believe i left the discs from years ago at my dad's house and i'm going there this weekend, so i can check. I don't know what they are exactly, but i think half are DVD-R and the others are DVD-RW (i don't know if they are + or -). They might be gone so idk, but if they're there it saves me trips for when i need them. I believe i only need DVD-R or DVD+R since there's no reason to re-write on a SS, but i need to know if my DVD player accepts one or the other or both.
Yes, a cucco riding the ground.
That isn't a DVD recorder. It just says "DVD player."
lol, thats my problem. i do however see record on the VHS side, so i just need tapes, which i do have, and know how to use Smiley


I'm not in a terribly good mood. I was playing Pokemon Red last night, training pokemon for about an hour, and apparently FELL ASLEEP in the middle of it, so last i remember, my timer was at 17 hours, and when i just woke up it was at 23. I'm doing this to develop strategies for a possible Stadium 1 speed run, but i didn't want to save it, so now i have no idea where i left off...anyway....


This means i'm being overtired, and need to sleep more, so i'm more awake for my SS run on TTYD. It also means i need to stop playing pokemon and start watching the current TTYD run. i haven't done so because im always on a macintosh and am too lazy to download the whatever it is to watch it, but i can't get my game back until monday or later anyway, so i will watch it this weekend. I do believe i have the entire run downloaded at my dad's house.
tapes are no longer accepted
if you want to use a VHS you need to get permission first
mostly you need to show a sample of the video quality