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Carcinogen: 2012-07-25 12:02:58 am
Check it!



This is the quick version. Buy these things:
-HDMI to DVI Cable
-Optical Cable (You know, that digital fiber optic audio cable that nobody actually uses)
-This converter box or any similar device with the same function
-Extra HDMI Cable

First, hook up your PS3 to your HDTV via HDMI. Hopefully, your TV (unlike mine) will handshake properly with the PS3 and is HDCP compliant. If it's working with HDMI, go to your display settings, set the detection to "custom", and make sure these are checked:



Now that that's done, unhook your PS3 from the TV. Now, cobble all the above items together between your PS3 and your capture card.

Me and Heidman had to do a lot of troubleshooting to get this SOB to work, so here's what we did: set EVERY POSSIBLE OPTION to one uniform 60FPS setting (in our case 720p 60FPS) in the options for the Blackmagic Intensity. This also works with passthrough, provided your capture program is open (as required for all passthrough functions for the blackmagic intensity).

That *should* do the trick. I'll do some recording tests with it later.
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TheThrillness: 2012-07-25 12:23:50 am
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I saw that video ages ago but always assumed there would be quality loss since you are downgrading to DVI and a "cheap" box is doing the manipulating. Not a huge loss but there should be some I would have thought? I just used Component cables in the end. You have RE5 so if you want to do some of your test captures on the game using HDMI vs my direct Component to see what the difference is: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134841

You actually got me thinking. The StarTech card has a DVI input. I wonder if you could just use a HDMI to DVI cable to strip the HDCP.
That's possible too, but the box strips the audio unless you're outputting via RCA or Optical.
Not a walrus
HDMI video and DVI are the same signal, just different ports, so there's no real 'downgrade' other than the missing audio signal.
That's kinda cool, I always assumed that you need an HDFury IV or something like that to strip HDCP. It's nice that manufacturers forget to implement the copy protection correctly. I'd give it a try, but shipping to Germany costs $47.92 and for that price you can get the H727 here, which records HDCP protected video without any extra device.
stickied. this should also go in the kb.
In the video the guy says that "any DVI to HDMI "converter" will let you record" it. That's not true at all. You don't even need a converter for DVI-D and HDMI, it's (nearly) the same cable just with a different plug. The special thing about that box (and most likely the only thing it does at all aside from putting the audio back into the cable) is to strip HDCP. I think it's kinda weird that a store can even sell that in the USA without getting sued.
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Abit confused. Basically you could just use a HDMI to DVI cable from PS3, then use this on the other end: http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVI-D-Female-Hdmi-Male-Adapter/dp/B000SKDU9A

Then just use another HDMI cable to the Intensity Pro?

I'd only ever be using RCA audio so then I plug in my composite/component leads to feed the audio directly into the Pro?
Quote from AnubisGI:
Abit confused. Basically you could just use a HDMI to DVI cable from PS3, then use this on the other end: http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVI-D-Female-Hdmi-Male-Adapter/dp/B000SKDU9A


No, using an adapter doesn't make the copy protection magically disappear. DVI-D has HDCP too, it's 100% the same video signal, there are just few devices that use it as BluRay players all have HDMI.
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TheThrillness: 2012-07-25 03:18:21 pm
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I guess it just comes down to the fact if the picture quality of HDMI is better to warrant the price over just buying Component cables. Anyone have UK distributors for this AUD-2362?
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Tranquilite: 2012-07-25 03:18:09 pm
This box actually doesnt do anything to degrade the video signal, (pure digital pathway ftw), but in order to add audio to the stream they need to decrypt the HDCP signal. The problem here is that whoever engineered this "forgot" to reencrypt the signal with HDCP (or something like that).
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I guess it just comes down to the fact if the picture quality of HDMI is better to warrant the price over just buying Component cables.

i would like to see a comparison, how many bits are wasted on artifacts of component versus hdmi. i was always subjectively happy when i captured 360/ps3 using component with my intensity pro but there is more to the story, in particular how intelligent the encoder is at low bitrates. if you have millions of pixels and they are changing every frame it is not going to be the same as two pixels changing every frame if only two are really changing. the encoder will do its best but it's not the same.
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If Carc can post screens of games then I can help do comparisons if required.

I have Heavy Rain and RE5 within distance and installed on hard drive to compare.
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guffaw
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if you have millions of pixels and they are changing every frame it is not going to be the same as two pixels changing every frame if only two are really changing. the encoder will do its best but it's not the same.


HDMI isn't lossless either.
Quote:
at high error rates, users see a “sparkle” or “snow” on the screen, but largely the image is intact

i have seen this before ... good to know. however, the question stands - does the encoded image quality difference at low bitrates justify the cost of the box? i honestly have no idea.
The Dork Knight himself.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/AudioQuest+-+Diamond+3.3%27+High-Speed+HDMI+Cable+-+Dark+Gray/Black/2383276.p?id=1218324437192&skuId=2383276&st=2383276&cp=1&lp=1

The cost is only justified if you are using this cable.
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DJGrenola: 2012-07-25 05:45:04 pm
guffaw
Quote from nate:
Quote:
at high error rates, users see a “sparkle” or “snow” on the screen, but largely the image is intact

i have seen this before ... good to know. however, the question stands - does the encoded image quality difference at low bitrates justify the cost of the box? i honestly have no idea.


yeah, I don't know either. I just felt I'd make the point that expending effort to capture an HDMI signal on the assumption that digital is automatically "better" may be a mistake. I'd certainly always assumed that HDMI was a loss-free transport because it's digital, but if bunnie says it isn't, then it almost certainly isn't.
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Carcinogen: 2012-07-26 12:42:17 am
Carcinogen: 2012-07-26 12:32:51 am
I'll post screens at some point. In the meantime, I'm trying to tweek the damn thing so all my component-enabled consoles run on it properly.

Also, what's the best way to encode 720p for quality testing? Is Anri-Chan acceptable? If so, do I encode it like I would a "non-console run"?
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TheThrillness: 2012-07-26 12:53:14 am
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I used the Intensity Pro to encode my RE5 run with anri-chan (D1,F2). You can download the IQ or XQ to see how it will realistically look.

I'll actually use my StarTech card for component comparison vs your HDMI since the Intensity has some green tint issues: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134841

From what I remember, the HDMI side of the Intensity is fine though (Don't forget to switch your PS3 to Limited range if you did not already know).
Limited Range? I'm still trying to figure out HD being that I haven't messed with it until I got all this crap.
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blizzz: 2012-07-26 03:02:56 am
I don't think that bit flipping is a real problem with HDMI, at least not one that should make any problems. If you transfer a video signal, record it and transfer it again a million times you might see some artifacts, but just recording a video game over HDMI is still lossless for me. A far bigger problem is that most capture cards don't internally work with RGB colour space or only support limited RGB range. But with all possible problems, HDMI still has no disadvantages compared to component. It's sharper and there should be no colour differences between capture cards.

Check this picture of a zoomed in PSP game: URL
It's recorded with component and the lower colour resolution causes problems on small objects. With digital transfer it would be perfectly sharp.
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Limited Range? I'm still trying to figure out HD being that I haven't messed with it until I got all this crap.


I can't remember exactly where you set it (video output?) but yes it is needed or you will get black level issues in the HDMI capture.
HELLO!
I just use the component cables to get PS3 out to the Intensity.

There also exist flat out HDCP strippers.
I wonder if this could work with the Colossus (intuition tells me it should.) I'd have to try this, because using my PS3 with component cables gives me this weird "rainbow" ghost image, it's very difficult to explain (mind you, english is my second language) and it basically looks like ass no matter what settings I use or the component cables I try.
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Andrew_Mills: 2012-08-07 02:35:29 am
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That 'Rainbow Ghost' image is usually down to interference messing up your analogue signal. I know, cause I had the same issues with component on the PS3 and 360. I eventually switched to a triple-shielded component cable (PS3) and a triple-shielded HDMI cable for 360 to eliminate the problem.

And for added reassurance, I also 'customised' my Blackmagic cable as the input cables have zero shielding on them at all (which really doesn't help with analogue signals). I used the following components to add an additional layer of shielding at the 'point of entry' to the intensity card itself (as the component cables have triple shielding). Certainly appears to have helped me in reducing analogue interference...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007JIQ3Q6/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004OYPQUM/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00

This 'custom job' looks like shit, but hey, as long as it works! Tongue