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sinister1
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Quote from DK28:
What is your sum of best Sin?
10:24 according to my run comments. Sub 11 is certainly possible with a sum of best like that. It also does not factor in some of the newer strats that have been found which would account for a few more seconds.
Are you seriously thinking of running this game again?
Bumping this up because I started tinkering with stuff again and am going to shoot for a low 11, if not under.
I took this clip from a failed run earlier tonight to show the Mission 3 strats sinister was talking about on the last page, if your execution is spot on then it's pretty consistent outside of some very rare enemy RNG.
I took this clip from a failed run earlier tonight to show the Mission 3 strats sinister was talking about on the last page, if your execution is spot on then it's pretty consistent outside of some very rare enemy RNG.
General Kong - Bullets and Bananas
I'll also chime in with my 11:59. Been meaning to post here...
I'm not stopping until sub 11. With current strats, I could sub sinister's current SDA run if I could just get the final boss fight right...
I'm not stopping until sub 11. With current strats, I could sub sinister's current SDA run if I could just get the final boss fight right...
sinister1
so pro u don't even know
@ZELLLOOO: That is the correct strat that I used back in the day, just missed it in my SDA run. There is a possibility of a slightly faster variation as seen in the TAS, but it seems unlikely to be consistent.
@DK28: It is a tough task but once you start to get a feel for spacing, and timing it will come. Also, your gold stage 3 matches ZELLLOOOs clip.
@DK28: It is a tough task but once you start to get a feel for spacing, and timing it will come. Also, your gold stage 3 matches ZELLLOOOs clip.
These are mostly for DK but I figure sharing them here would be useful for others too:
Knocking off the Mission 5 1 HP Roper
Consistent + easier Gear Room strat
Mission 2 strats, shows a camera manipulation for the copter
Knocking off the Mission 5 1 HP Roper
Consistent + easier Gear Room strat
Mission 2 strats, shows a camera manipulation for the copter
New PB, 11:34! Feels good to finally have a decent time recorded, still lots to improve and practice though (like going for the safe Mission 8 ninja strat and failing it anyways, oops).
Also splits for reference, I got too excited and forgot to screencap before I reset and saved them so I did this instead:
Also splits for reference, I got too excited and forgot to screencap before I reset and saved them so I did this instead:
Some more strat videos below, they could probably still be improved further? The Chin fight in Mission 5 especially I want to work on.
Mission 1
Mission 5
Mission 6
I'm also looking into setups and manipulations for the final boss so that no matter what happens, you can relock him into a trap as needed.
Mission 1
Mission 5
Mission 6
I'm also looking into setups and manipulations for the final boss so that no matter what happens, you can relock him into a trap as needed.
sinister1
so pro u don't even know
Great work, Mr. K! I guess my main question would be are there other factors that can impact this. I ask because when I watch DK28 play he gets ducked at a significantly higher rate than when I play. I have made thousands of attempts on this game, and I would say that the duck rate for enemies is actually lower than the 25% that you suggested for me. DK28 would probably suggest that it is higher than 25% for him. This could just be variance over a small sample size, but I just have the feeling there is more to it.
The only thing I can think of is that I generally have setups where enemies are already ducking, and they have to stand up so they get knee'd. Is there a specific amount of time that enemies duck for, or does this vary? Also, can they duck multiple times in a row after standing back up? Does ducking frequency/length vary by enemy? (Chins seem to duck a lot).
Another question I have related to the global timer: Can the pause trick be used in the underground base (stage 4) to avoid the spike claws that come down a la Contra? I have tried it a few times casually without success, but it was one shot during runs, so I am pretty sure I was doing it wrong. I know that you can use it in stage 3 to close the door, but you still have to have the game paused the whole time the door would be open.
@ZELLLOOO: Nice work, there were only a few things that could be improved in those stages. As far as the final boss, I know I used to try and use a musical cue during the cutscene to manipulate his behavior and had some success, but it may have just been luck.
The only thing I can think of is that I generally have setups where enemies are already ducking, and they have to stand up so they get knee'd. Is there a specific amount of time that enemies duck for, or does this vary? Also, can they duck multiple times in a row after standing back up? Does ducking frequency/length vary by enemy? (Chins seem to duck a lot).
Another question I have related to the global timer: Can the pause trick be used in the underground base (stage 4) to avoid the spike claws that come down a la Contra? I have tried it a few times casually without success, but it was one shot during runs, so I am pretty sure I was doing it wrong. I know that you can use it in stage 3 to close the door, but you still have to have the game paused the whole time the door would be open.
@ZELLLOOO: Nice work, there were only a few things that could be improved in those stages. As far as the final boss, I know I used to try and use a musical cue during the cutscene to manipulate his behavior and had some success, but it may have just been luck.
Yes
Hey Sinister - so a couple of things
Here's why I gave 25%. Starting from a position where the enemy was standing I looked at whether or not an enemy would duck when starting the knee. For every three ticks of the global timer it hits and for every fourth tick of the timer it does not. I'll admit this is a very specific condition and what happens in the game is a lot more chaotic. I'll try and test how long enemies duck for and test with different enemies next and enemy patterns. Manipulation of enemy patterns is huge for a lot of reasons, one of which is that if enemy's aren't engaged or are in the middle of an attack they can't duck.
Regarding the claws - Still working on this
Here's why I gave 25%. Starting from a position where the enemy was standing I looked at whether or not an enemy would duck when starting the knee. For every three ticks of the global timer it hits and for every fourth tick of the timer it does not. I'll admit this is a very specific condition and what happens in the game is a lot more chaotic. I'll try and test how long enemies duck for and test with different enemies next and enemy patterns. Manipulation of enemy patterns is huge for a lot of reasons, one of which is that if enemy's aren't engaged or are in the middle of an attack they can't duck.
Regarding the claws - Still working on this