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aleckermit: 2008-11-11 11:38:50 am
Hi guys, since the first chapter is finished, I need to start researching Chapter 2. Anyone know of any good speed tricks or glitches? Or which save station I should use?

Also, the Flamethrower schematic is on this level, which I'm seriously considering picking up then buying the flamethrower because of those tiny necromorph swarms which basically stop you in your tracks.

The 3 weapons I am planning to use throughout the whole game are: Plasma Cutter(upgrading a lot probably), Flamethrower(for small enemies), and Contact Beam(for bosses and tough enemies).

I prefer the Force gun over the flamethrower, but it isn't obtainable until Chapter 4.

What do you guys think?
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Hi guys, since the first chapter is finished, I need to start researching Chapter 2. Anyone know of any good speed tricks or glitches? Or which save station I should use?

Also, the Flamethrower schematic is on this level, which I'm seriously considering picking up then buying the flamethrower because of those tiny necromorph swarms which basically stop you in your tracks.

The 3 weapons I am planning to use throughout the whole game are: Plasma Cutter(upgrading a lot probably), Flamethrower(for small enemies), and Contact Beam(for bosses and tough enemies).

I prefer the Force gun over the flamethrower, but it isn't obtainable until Chapter 4.

What do you guys think?


I think i cant wait for the rest of the run, but seriously i would go with what you said, seems like this run is gonna be fast!!
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aleckermit: 2008-11-11 02:50:17 pm
I've been doing some chapter 2 research, and I figured out that stasis will stop the necro swarms really easy... so no need of a force gun or flamethrower.

And I've figured out a good save point, it's a bout half-way through the level. I think Chapter 2 will be easier than chapter 1. I've already pretty much mapped out my path of the first segment of chapter 2.

I'm still debating on what weapons to go with and upgrade... I can already kill normal necros with the plasma cutter in 2 hits with no upgrades... I was thinking about waiting till chapter 3 to buy and upgrade a pulse rifle... I bet it mows through enemies when upgraded...

I have no knowledge of the ripper...

Should I just stick with the Plasma cutter and Contact beam, or is an upgraded Pulse rifle really good on easy mode? I'm thinking sticking with just 2 weapons will be optimal....

I need you advice guys!

EDIT: I just finished recording a WIP segment 3 run. It's only about 4:30 minutes(should be a quite a bit less in the final version). I'm predicting Chapter 2 will only take about 9 to 10 minutes total. The WIP is uploaded on youtube now.. Tell me if it seems like a good route to you. I chose to stick with just 2 weapons, the plasma cutter and contact beam. The upgraded plasma cutter should kill normal necros in 1 hit after a couple of damage upgrades. After I've upgraded the plasma cutter to the extent I want' I'll upgrade my kenesis range(for the later levels where you have to fetch far away boulders and things).
The route looks good. There's an item (I forgot which one) on the right when you see the sequence of the mutated baby attacking that guy behind the glass. Not sure if you need it but I just point it out. There's also a Small Med Pack in the tram station Wink You should probably shoot the battery thing just before you save.

By the way, you've used the Upgrade Bench for 1 damage upgrade and put 2 of them on empty nodes. Wouldn't it be better to wait until you've got at least 4 Upgrade Nodes so you can actually upgrade 2 things? You don't really need the damage upgrade yet, right?
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The route looks good. There's an item (I forgot which one) on the right when you see the sequence of the mutated baby attacking that guy behind the glass. Not sure if you need it but I just point it out. There's also a Small Med Pack in the tram station Wink You should probably shoot the battery thing just before you save.

By the way, you've used the Upgrade Bench for 1 damage upgrade and put 2 of them on empty nodes. Wouldn't it be better to wait until you've got at least 4 Upgrade Nodes so you can actually upgrade 2 things? You don't really need the damage upgrade yet, right?


Yeah that's what I've been debating, when and what to use nodes on...

I was thinking about putting one on plasma cutter(damage) and 2 on kenesis range... Maybe I should just wait till the next level to use the bench?

I really need advice on upgrades...
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TheVoid: 2008-11-12 03:05:39 am
I'm not entirely sure about upgrading what, how, and when exactly either Wink

Like someone said previously, the Plasma Cutter starts to become more troublesome to use after Chapter 4 or 5 or something, enemies get stronger and more in number. I'm not sure if you should upgrade the Plasma Cutter at all actually, probably better to get the Pulse Rifle in Chapter 3 and upgrade that one.

You wanted to get the Contact Beam? That thing is pretty slow. I've actually never really played with it, but it needs to be charged up... The only boss type I can think of right now where you probably wanted to use it is for the Armored Monkey (;)) in the chapter with the big main hall where the asteroid blasts a hole in the ground (Is that Chapter 4? Why can I never remember which chapter is what exactly...).

I think you should first do some serious testing with the weapons and upgrades. Specifically checking how well you will be doing with the Plasma Cutter till a certain chapter (Upgraded a bit or not. I think you shouldn't, to me it seems like it's a waste actually), checking the Pulse Rifle upgraded, and perhaps a more heavy gun for the Armored Monkey (Although putting the guy on Stasis and shooting his ass with the Pulse Rifle works pretty good too if I remember correctly) or more resistant enemies like the Captain-like enemies.
Check which fights are necessary, which kind of enemies you need to deal with, and what would be the most effective against them. Check, check, check Wink

The Pulse Rifle is also more handy for when you get grabbed by a tentacle and can't aim for shit... (EDIT: Can you actually use Stasis on those tentacles? Would make it much easier.)

Well, this is about as much as I can offer right now. Like I said, I'm not really sure either so you should probably just check stuff yourself first Smiley
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aleckermit: 2008-11-12 11:27:27 am
OK, I'm going to take your advice an pay a few levels ahead with the pulse rife and upgrade it... you may be right. It's definately easier to aim, and uses less ammo, and has faster reload times...

But you seriously don't think I need the contact beam? It's great against the leviathan and the final boss, not to mention the armored monkeys(should be about 3 - 4 shots max). It' destroys yellow tentacle things in one hit always.... It also kills just about any other enemy in 1 hit...

Anyway I'll test ahead and see if the pulse rifle really is as good as you claim, because I thought an upgraded plasma cutter would carry me throw the whole game honestly.

EDIT: Well I played through to level 5 and I have to say I prefer the plasma cutter over even the UPGRADED Pulse Rifle. Even with a damage and ammo upgrade it takes 2 shots per limb to dismember normal necros and also it's kinda hard to tell when you've kill them with the pulse rifle because of all the shaking when firing. I also ran out of ammo pretty quick with it. Unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm sticking with plasma cutter and contact beam.

EDIT2: Do you think I should upgrade my suit any time soon? I have decide to wait until Chapter 3 to do any node upgrades. I think I will upgrade the plasma cutter's dmage and/or kenesis range(this will save A LOT of time when having to carry those power supply things, I can grab them from far away and keep from having to walk with them really slow for long distances). It will also really help in the later levels.
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But you seriously don't think I need the contact beam? It's great against the leviathan and the final boss, not to mention the armored monkeys(should be about 3 - 4 shots max). It' destroys yellow tentacle things in one hit always.... It also kills just about any other enemy in 1 hit...

Like I said before, I never really played with the Contact Beam. But you make it sound like it's quite useful so I guess you should use it Smiley
About the Pulse Rifle, true about the shaking and difficult to see when they're killed.
So I guess you should stick with the Plasma Cutter and the Contact Beam then.

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Do you think I should upgrade my suit any time soon?

Hmm... Is that really needed? For armor? Extra inventory space? You don't intend to get hit a lot do you? Wink I don't know if you should get a new suit. Not really necessary anytime soon I think.

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It will also really help in the later levels.

Yeah, a longer Kinesis range would probably be handy with those radiation balls for example.
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aleckermit: 2008-11-12 04:11:06 pm
Ok dudes, Part Chapter 2 part 1 is finished, it will be uploading to youtube today. Unlike the WIP version, I skip the upgrade bench. I also shoot the wall switch before saving. I get a little hung up with enemies, but considering the speed of the rest of the run I let it pass.

I am also going to make a joke video of every time I screwed up the beginning of Chapter 2(you know the part where you use kenesis on the boxes to get through). It will only show about half my failures lol.

PS: I can't thank you guys enough(especially TheVoid) for all your help so far, I hope you continue to aid me throughout this run Smiley

EDIT: Chapter 2 part 1 is now available on youtube.
Heh, blooper video. You could make a compilation of bloopers from your entire run and submit that to SDA too, by the way. So if you encounter any kind of funny mess ups, you could make an entire video out of it Smiley

2:47
With a bit of luck it's possible to run past the little dude and get on the elevator without getting grabbed. Just run straight at him and around the corner to the elevator panel and then move to the right to avoid possible grabbage.

3:24
Here it's also possible to run past them without getting hit. With these enemies I've noticed that often when you run straight towards them and actually touch them, they back off a little bit giving you time to get past them. Of course they won't always do that but quite often they do Wink

And try to shoot less in the middle of the enemy Wink

In the room where you need to grab the Termite stuff (After the 3 little dudes), you could also open the door, then grab the Upgrade Node and then go through the open door. I'm not sure if it's really any faster though.

The rest looks pretty good.
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aleckermit: 2008-11-12 09:34:59 pm
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Heh, blooper video. You could make a compilation of bloopers from your entire run and submit that to SDA too, by the way. So if you encounter any kind of funny mess ups, you could make an entire video out of it Smiley

2:47
With a bit of luck it's possible to run past the little dude and get on the elevator without getting grabbed. Just run straight at him and around the corner to the elevator panel and then move to the right to avoid possible grabbage.

3:24
Here it's also possible to run past them without getting hit. With these enemies I've noticed that often when you run straight towards them and actually touch them, they back off a little bit giving you time to get past them. Of course they won't always do that but quite often they do Wink

And try to shoot less in the middle of the enemy Wink

In the room where you need to grab the Termite stuff (After the 3 little dudes), you could also open the door, then grab the Upgrade Node and then go through the open door. I'm not sure if it's really any faster though.

The rest looks pretty good.


1. 2:27, that little bastard grabs me every time I've tested, and the tentacle babies ALWAYS button-mash trap you, ALWAYS and they last a LONG time(longer than even the elevator ride up to the next floor). He usually dies in 3 hits tops, but he was a bit unruly this time... I was so shocked at his armored skin that I flinched on the aim button after he died.

2. 3:24 is too risky, like I said in one of the video descriptions, 50/50 chance of getting by, not worth getting button-mash trapped. Unfortunately one guy took a lot of hits, and one fainted lol which confused me so I fired off two useless shots...

Anyway, I've already saved over my old save, so what's done is done. I think the run is great aside from my few mistakes. The next segment will be really fast and easy.
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Anyway, I've already saved over my old save, so what's done is done.

You bring up a good point, you don't backup your savegames? May I suggest you to backup the savegames Smiley If you would mess up the savegames (For whatever reason, maybe you would accidentally overwrite it) then you're screwed and need to restart the entire run.

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The next segment will be really fast and easy.

Where do you plan to end the next segment? Same savestation or at the end of the level? Or before the Captain part?
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aleckermit: 2008-11-14 04:38:16 pm
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Anyway, I've already saved over my old save, so what's done is done.

You bring up a good point, you don't backup your savegames? May I suggest you to backup the savegames Smiley If you would mess up the savegames (For whatever reason, maybe you would accidentally overwrite it) then you're screwed and need to restart the entire run.

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The next segment will be really fast and easy.

Where do you plan to end the next segment? Same savestation or at the end of the level? Or before the Captain part?


I plan to end the next segment at the end of the level. I really don't want to use more than one save station per Chapter if I can help it...

I should back up my save file. I'll start doing that from now on.
Chapter 2 part 2 is now available on my channel. See signature for link.
Be careful for nothing;
@Kibumbi, I really hope you change your mind.  =o) it would be Super!
You were a tiny fraction too late with activating the end of the level though, why didn't you just wait in the tram in front of the screen? Wink And yeah too bad about the brainfart at 4:10, hehe.

You could've maybe grabbed some items in the Captain's Rig part (Not in the room behind the glass, but outside of it) while waiting for the Captain to mutate and break through the glass, but it's probably not that important. I believe there was some ammo on the floor.

Anyway, nicely done. Most of it looked very smoothly so good job Smiley On to Chapter 3!
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You were a tiny fraction too late with activating the end of the level though, why didn't you just wait in the tram in front of the screen? Wink And yeah too bad about the brainfart at 4:10, hehe.

You could've maybe grabbed some items in the Captain's Rig part (Not in the room behind the glass, but outside of it) while waiting for the Captain to mutate and break through the glass, but it's probably not that important. I believe there was some ammo on the floor.

Anyway, nicely done. Most of it looked very smoothly so good job Smiley On to Chapter 3!


You CAN'T wait inside the tram for Hammond to stop talking, if his message ends while you're in the tram you have to leave the tram and re-enter in order to save. So I had to wait outside the tram until he stopped speaking.

You know what's weird, ammo is almost always on the floor outside the glass room where the captain's rig is right where I was standing waiting for him to break out but sometimes it's not there.... glitch in the game I guess...

Yeah the mistake at 4:10 hurt, but trust me if you saw all my other attempts you'd let it slide too ;p I got really lucky on the rest of the enemies.
Is there a reason you stopped to shoot the two necromorphs at approx. 3:24 of the first Intensive Care segment (YouTube version)? The way I see it you could easily froze them and slip past. The problem shouldn't be in the stasis energy levels, either, as you get to refill it later and there're no further applications of stasis until you've made it past the stasis refill point.
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You CAN'T wait inside the tram for Hammond to stop talking, if his message ends while you're in the tram you have to leave the tram and re-enter in order to save. So I had to wait outside the tram until he stopped speaking.

I just checked it myself again and I could stand a bit away from the screen (But still in the tram) and activate it.

You're going to use the Upgrade Bench in Chapter 3? Maybe now you could upgrade the Plasma Cutter a bit, because you've got 4 Upgrade Nodes now, right?
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Is there a reason you stopped to shoot the two necromorphs at approx. 3:24 of the first Intensive Care segment (YouTube version)? The way I see it you could easily froze them and slip past. The problem shouldn't be in the stasis energy levels, either, as you get to refill it later and there're no further applications of stasis until you've made it past the stasis refill point.


I guess it would have been a little faster...
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You CAN'T wait inside the tram for Hammond to stop talking, if his message ends while you're in the tram you have to leave the tram and re-enter in order to save. So I had to wait outside the tram until he stopped speaking.

I just checked it myself again and I could stand a bit away from the screen (But still in the tram) and activate it.

You're going to use the Upgrade Bench in Chapter 3? Maybe now you could upgrade the Plasma Cutter a bit, because you've got 4 Upgrade Nodes now, right?


Do you mean you could save at the tram while Hammond was talking? If so I'll re-do it. I really didn't lose much-to-any time getting inside the tram door to save if not...

Yes I'm going to upgrade my Plasma Cutter's damage once, and I guess my Kenesis range three times(fully upgraded range).
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Do you mean you could save at the tram while Hammond was talking? If so I'll re-do it. I really didn't lose much-to-any time getting inside the tram door to save if not...

No, not while Hammond was talking. And no it didn't really cost you much time Wink

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Kenesis

I just have to fix this, it's "Kinesis" 8)

About Chapter 3, got a route planned?
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aleckermit: 2008-11-16 11:50:25 pm
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Do you mean you could save at the tram while Hammond was talking? If so I'll re-do it. I really didn't lose much-to-any time getting inside the tram door to save if not...

No, not while Hammond was talking. And no it didn't really cost you much time Wink

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Kenesis

I just have to fix this, it's "Kinesis" 8)

About Chapter 3, got a route planned?


Yes I do have a route planned. I have already finished Chapter 3 part 1. I upgraded the plasma cutter's damage once, and KINESIS 3 times. My part 1 went pretty much flawlessly so I'm very happy about that, in part 2 I'm going to really save time by using kinesis at a far distance ;p. Both parts should be uploaded to Youtube this evening... If not both then definitely part 1.

EDIT: Chapter 3 part 1 is now available on my channel, check it out.
The run looked pretty good, but I've got one thing to say.

At 1:02, it's better if you activate this Fuel Engine as second because when you come back from the other one you're passing here anyway. You can also activate the Fuel Engine at 1:02 from just before the Gondola but the enemy there will interfere (It didn't seem possible to activate it while you're on the Gondola :-\), the other Fuel Engine can also be activated from a distance (From 2:16).
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The run looked pretty good, but I've got one thing to say.

At 1:02, it's better if you activate this Fuel Engine as second because when you come back from the other one you're passing here anyway. You can also activate the Fuel Engine at 1:02 from just before the Gondola but the enemy there will interfere (It didn't seem possible to activate it while you're on the Gondola :-\), the other Fuel Engine can also be activated from a distance (From 2:16).


I swear I tried activating them from a distance but couldn't  Undecided

I've caught some kind of sickness from somebody at work so I may not get to part 2 until later this week... But I made a video to tide you guys over...

Watch here: