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I just had watched it.
Good run, but why noone never use "exit the current world" after get last puzzle piece of each world!? Go to clouds instead of dino is faster.

Btw I found 27:29 video on YT - it is 21s faster than SDA record, and he did not use cloud shortcut too, and had few minor mistakes.

NMS

2011-12-02 02:08:35 pm

You can't use that in speedrun mode. It just ends the game. We'd have to switch to manual timing to make it usable.

Archanfel

2011-12-02 03:01:49 pm

Are runner legally obliged to use "speedrun mode" even if "normal mode" allow to skip part of game?? This choice seem a bit strange for me..
Anyway [27:29]-run is quite fast, and it has mired incontestable authority of SDA runs.

ridd3r.

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we have lift off

Quote from NMS:

You can't use that in speedrun mode. It just ends the game. We'd have to switch to manual timing to make it usable.

In which case you'd be timed for putting the puzzles together, probably resulting in a higher time than you'd get with the in-game timer.

atomicJo

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@ralle32
Congrats for this SS run! It's insane how much risks you take far in the game !

ralle32

2012-01-03 09:32:26 am

thanks, I just started working on improving it... did some test runs the past few days. I really want to beat that 27:29 ;]
Goal is anything better than 27:29. I think the optimum using the exact same route would be a high 26.

If there's anyone out there who wants to help:

There is two new tricks foloal found (they're also on his youtube channel):

1. a jump cloud stage (epilogue)

I get this like 1 time out of 100 so I consider it being too hard for SS. If anyone wants to try and finds a way to do it consistently please answer. Failing it would cost like 3 seconds but it's 3 seconds I'd be really disappointed with since the run is basically over at this time.

2. a trick involving time manipulation in Elevator Action.

Here it's basically the same for me, it's just a little easier to do than the cloud jump. The trick requires PERFECT timing though and is too far in the run, so should I do it safe? Can anyone do it consistently?

Other than that I'm not aware of any new tricks since the 27:29 posted here. I'd be thankful for any timesaver, even if it's just for a second or so.

Also there's still the mystery about the impassable foliage 0:55. There aren't any youtube videos sub 1 minute for this level. Does anyone know something about this?

thanks, I just started working on improving it... did some test runs the past few days. I really want to beat that 27:29 ;] 
Goal is anything better than 27:29. I think the optimum using the exact same route would be a high 26.

If there's anyone out there who wants to help:

There is two new tricks foloal found (they're also on his youtube channel):

1. a jump cloud stage (epilogue)

I get this like 1 time out of 100 so I consider it being too hard for SS. If anyone wants to try and finds a way to do it consistently please answer. Failing it would cost like 3 seconds but it's 3 seconds I'd be really disappointed with since the run is basically over at this time.

2. a trick involving time manipulation in Elevator Action.

Here it's basically the same for me, it's just a little easier to do than the cloud jump. The trick requires PERFECT timing though and is too far in the run, so should I do it safe? Can anyone do it consistently?

Other than that I'm not aware of any new tricks since the 27:29 posted here. I'd be thankful for any timesaver, even if it's just for a second or so.

Also there's still the mystery about the impassable foliage 0:55. There aren't any youtube videos sub 1 minute for this level. Does anyone know something about this?

xebra

2012-01-03 03:48:47 pm

Here's a small improvement to Impassable Foliage that allows you to grab the last piece a few seconds earlier:

I don't think that's enough of an improvement to get you down to 0:55, but I'm not proficient enough to make a definitive test. In your shoes, the next thing I would explore is whether putting the ring on top of the cannon allows you to jump at the piece even earlier.

ralle32

2012-01-04 10:42:56 am

Wow, I just beat the WR. 27:02

Freid

2012-01-04 11:40:10 am

Awesome job! But human psychology demands sub27 be done.

ralle32

2012-01-04 12:25:25 pm

I guess you're right. Not this week though

toxicate

2012-01-21 08:27:43 pm

ralle32 major props for beating the game. I've seen the small flaws and I was like 'ooooooooh daaaaaamn' ... I think sub 27 is possible but that run has to be perfect. I guess you could get there by using more corner bumps in all levels to speed up. That should give you at least 1sec per level where you can pull it off. Problem is, that they are majorly random though. Let me know where I can help you ^^

Archanfel

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Quote from ralle32:

I'd be thankful for any timesaver, even if it's just for a second or so.

Getting this puzzle piece without key:

It can save ~10 seconds.

Archanfel

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2012-06-22 10:53:22 am

World 6-4 'Cascade' route:

First piece: Possible get it by corner glitch as was demonstrated by DemonStrate.
Second piece: Possible to jump there without using ring. I found it myself.
Third piece: The most crazy-risky trick was discovered by Ridd3r.

Overall, approximately 30 seconds can be saved here. But this route is impossible for execution into SS run (at least third piece trick).

Fun fact: theoretically, if apply all known tricks - i absolutely sure that game can be done sub 26 minutes!! May be not by mortal human, but by TAS definitly yes.

(Times are comparing with 27:02 WR run by ralle32)

-'Cascade' = -30s
-'Impassable Foliage' by SprintGod = -12s
-'Movement By Degrees' = -10s
-'Elevator Action' by foaloal = -5s (and yet -5s by first cannon timing)
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Probably someone may decide that i am mad, but i seriously think that even sub 25 is possible Shocked

(of course for TAS only):

-If use other tiny tricks (like rabbit killing in 5-3 or some super jumps in 4-2 and 4-3 and ect) =-10+s
-If avoid all deaths and mistakes (a half of these losses at princess level) =-20s
-If exploit all corner glitches, not only by legs, but also head acceleration = -10+s
-Movements optimisation (non-corners) -10s
-Reverse of time optimisation -15s

So this game have a HUGE speedrun potencial. Summing up i think that absolute minimum is about 24:3X or lower.
Time will show the truth... Check my prediction after ten years Wink

Or much sooner, it depend on when TAS be made.

World 6-4 'Cascade' route:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDgp6brWBog

First piece: Possible get it by corner glitch as was demonstrated by DemonStrate.
Second piece: Possible to jump there without using ring. I found it myself.
Third piece: The most crazy-risky trick was discovered by Ridd3r.

Overall, approximately 30 seconds can be saved here. But this route is impossible for execution into SS run (at least third piece trick).

Fun fact: theoretically, if apply all known tricks - i absolutely sure that game can be done [b]sub 26[/b] minutes!! May be not by mortal human, but by TAS definitly yes.
[hidden=On_the_question_about_absolute_minimum_for_this_game](Times are comparing with 27:02 WR run by ralle32)

-'Cascade' = -30s
-'Impassable Foliage' by SprintGod = -12s
-'Movement By Degrees' = -10s
-'Elevator Action' by foaloal = -5s (and yet -5s by first cannon timing)
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Probably someone may decide that i am mad, but i seriously think that even sub 25 is possible :o (of course for TAS only):

-If use other tiny tricks (like rabbit killing in 5-3 or some super jumps in 4-2 and 4-3 and ect) =-10+s
-If avoid all deaths and mistakes (a half of these losses at princess level) =-20s
-If exploit all corner glitches, not only by legs, but also head acceleration = -10+s
-Movements optimisation (non-corners) -10s
-Reverse of time optimisation -15s

[/hidden]
So this game have a HUGE speedrun potencial. Summing up i think that [b]absolute minimum is about 24:3X[/b] or lower.
Time will show the truth... Check my prediction after ten years ;) Or much sooner, it depend on when TAS be made.

ralle32

2012-06-23 11:10:14 am

wow... some amazing tricks in there. I agree that you shouldn't try most of them in an SS run though Right now I'd say the only thing worth it and possible to do on a frequent basis is your route for "movement by degrees". Also I got a slightly improved route for the first part of elevator action. can't post a vid right now, but when you first arrive there you can place a bubble underneath the very first cannon for a very short period of time. Efficently it does not cost any time on the way to the key but saves like 3-5 secs on your way back.

thanks to you Archanfel. The bad thing about your posts is that I have to run this game again soon... are you working on an SS run right now?

Archanfel

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2012-06-23 03:20:32 pm

Quote from ralle32:

the only thing worth it and possible to do on a frequent basis is your route for "movement by degrees".

Try to practice at getting the second (in my route) piece in "Cascade" without using ring, it's not so hard. Actually is more easily than trick with rabbit.

Quote from ralle32:

are you working on an SS run right now?

No, i dont working on SS run, i just wanted to show you these unknownun/forgotten tricks Grin

Btw, as far as i know about SprintGod's "Impassable Foliage" 0:55 record: he held X-button(Shift at PC) for the first ~0.75s of the level to allow the goomba to pass the first plant. (+some time manipulation to get the goomba past the remaining plants). The rest his solution is aproximately the same as foaloal's star-path

Do not need suffer with alternative timing at the start... just exploit idea that xebra proposed. Look like, it is enough to get a tie with SprintGod-sama.

Quote from ralle32:

Also I got a slightly improved route for the first part of elevator action

Oh, nice finding! I very like such tiny but smart tricks Cheesy

Thank that you told about it.

[quote="ralle32"]the only thing worth it and possible to do on a frequent basis is your route for "movement by degrees". [/quote]Try to practice at getting the second (in my route) piece in "Cascade" without using ring, it's not so hard. Actually is more easily than trick with rabbit.
[quote="ralle32"] are you working on an SS run right now?[/quote]No, i dont working on SS run, i just wanted to show you these unknownun/forgotten tricks ;D

[s]Btw, as far as i know about SprintGod's "Impassable Foliage" 0:55 record: he held X-button(Shift at PC) for the first ~0.75s of the level to allow the goomba to pass the first plant. (+some time manipulation to get the goomba past the remaining plants). The rest his solution is aproximately the same as foaloal's star-path[/s]

Do not need suffer with alternative timing at the start...  just exploit idea that xebra proposed. Look like, it is enough to get a tie with SprintGod-sama.[quote="ralle32"]Also I got a slightly improved route for the first part of elevator action[/quote]Oh, nice finding! I very like such tiny but smart tricks :D Thank that you told about it.

ralle32

2012-06-25 03:31:41 am

by "second piece" in your video, do you mean the first piece in your video (the longjump with edge+goomba)? I tried that before and it's really not that hard. however, to really save time from it you need to get the second piece without putting the ring directly on the cannon (you need to wait for the next goomba anyway) which is working WAY too inconsistent for me... can you do that one on a frequent basis?
as far as the last jump goes it's too hard for an SS run no matter what. Also you can't do it if your bubble is still ON the cannon. So to save time in this stage I'd need to pull of ALL of the tricks in the video in this exact same order. Considering that I have to stick to the old route I guess!?

I'd appreciate your answer ;] getting to the other tricks now. thanks for making a vid out of the elevator action trick!

Archanfel

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Quote from ralle32:

by "second piece" in your video, do you mean the first piece in your video (the longjump with edge+goomba)?

No, I mean exactly second piece {i deleted the video of unnecessary repetition} - you need just hit goomba at the highest point of its trajectory. It can be done relative consistently (~30-40% for me). And it can save some amount of time. But i of course do not insist, may be it is not enough consistently for using in SS run.

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2012-07-16 10:41:39 am

To estimate the absolute minimum for this game i made crude route/plan for full game from start to the end:

Probably something can be helpful for SS Roll Eyes

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+ as bonus, if someone interested, routes for Braid mods:
-After the Epilogue
-SilverBraid (very creative and unusual mod, my favorite).
-And last one the hardest braid mod STONE.

In my opinion these mods are more interesting than original game Tongue

lifning

2013-01-19 04:47:56 am

intranational speedmoseyer ordinaire

So here's one of those "duh" moments for Fickle Companion...

I think this saves some time compared to the usual walking the platform back and climbing the ladder path.

Also, I'm a bit late to the party, but cheers for refining the setup for the MBD bunny key skip Archanfel Smiley

palfo

2013-01-20 09:27:26 pm

thanks to this I started running again today. got a solid 29:10 in my first testrun. I also love how this strategy is way easier than the old one ;]

Freid

2013-01-21 08:19:57 am

29 mins at first attempt after so long break is really good result!
I'm sure you get back in mins shape soon and sub27 will be done. How know, may be even 26:3X if you will try hard Roll Eyes

Good luck with running!

Super-Godly

2013-02-08 05:11:08 am

YEA!! I just got into the top 10 on PS3 32:32.95 Cheesy

"9th Place"

Goomba

2013-02-08 08:05:58 am

What is time of the "1st Place" on PS3? Just for curiosity.

palfo

2013-03-20 08:06:39 pm

for anyone interested: I made a 27:00 today.. WTF?
Of course I'm everything else but satisfied with it. Before World 6 I was like 20-30 seconds in front but failed in the usual levels and in world 1. I don't think I'll upload it though, I don't think it makes sense with a difference of only 2 seconds.

Tim

2013-03-21 08:19:05 am

@palfo
Aargh! It was so close.
Good luck with sub27 for next time!