Ballance(Puzzle Game) Run

2006-06-24 01:06:17 pm

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Yc2br3:
I believe you wanted to write down the routes in this thread right?
If so, I think you can better write them in your first post (Maybe also include the links to videos?) so it's more organized and easier to find Smiley

Go to the first page, I have done some work.

dex: Nice run again, level 12 will be a beast!

dex

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dex: 2006-06-24 01:54:55 pm

2006-06-24 01:54:25 pm

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This one is better Tongue

http://rapidshare.de/files/23977002/Ballancelvl11v2.avi.html
Few optimisations, no mistakes like in the last one, using the wooden ball to go over instead of under the bridge. The only problem i can think of is those crates :-/ Also, i could have gotten over the edge for the last shortcut much earlier, but the framerate didn't let me do it with risk Sad

Time 5:45

TheVoid

2006-06-24 02:20:51 pm

Much better Level 11 run Smiley

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02:00 - See that wooden crate above you just pushed? I think it's possible to push that crate, then transform into the paper ball and then fly down from that crate to the path below. I'll check it. I know it's not possible to drop from the rails to the path below with the paper ball.
I've tried this and it didn't work... the paper ball just hasn't enough height and/or speed to drop on the path :-/

Told it is impossible in my post.

It's not impossible anymore Tongue

It can be done but it's difficult and can go easily wrong...
I've made a small example video:

Yc2br3:
Yes, I think that's much better Smiley

Well, let's move on to Level 12 then...

dex

2006-06-24 03:11:14 pm

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A good vid, but it hardly saves more than five seconds, unforunately, but i've found a theory for an even better skip there.
Well, i'll show you a very short video for this theory of mine:
http://rapidshare.de/files/23983306/Trick.avi.html
Now the theory is, to do the same thing i have done, but instead of falling from the stone ball use it as moving platform. It's possible - i've managed it two times. However, i forgot to step to the ledge when the stone ball gets to it.
Can somebody check if it is possible Huh?

I'll move to level 12 after this. Level 12 is hard like hell, and it's even more with my shortcuts.

Yc2br3

2006-06-24 05:50:01 pm

dex: The trick in level 11 is way too hard...

Level 12 plan:

I have been working on this for quite a time, everything is possible here, but to be honest, I havn't success to pull off all of them once.

You can opt for manually balancing your ball or have some time adjusting the position before you roll. I recommand manually because 1. It is faster. 2. You can control the situation.

Part 1:
1. See the life, and turn, go ridge race!

Part 2:
2. Get to the second(big platform), go ridge race straight to the next part.

Part 3:
3. Turn to stone, full speed to push the other stone and continue rolling but stick to the rail from the right.

Part 4:
4. Hardest part in this whole game. After the wood transformater, go a bit left and ridge race on the left rail. Enjoying your ride for 6 secs and fall to the left to push the wood bridge.

Part 5:
5. Keep practice until you can push all the thing down in one go.
6. Stone ball fall straight to the paper transformater.

Part 6:
7. Nothing exciting here, I will go for Up, Left and Right to push those stone balls.

Part 7:
8. We are nearly there, wood go straight to the stone transformater, ridge race back and get in the two rails to be in perfect position, then go up the rail ramp and push down all the crates(Brake here!), don't go anywhere else, ridge race to the next part.

Part 8:
9. Nothing exciting here, becareful, you really don't want to fork up...

Now you know true balance. My best record is losing 2 lives when doing this.

dex: The trick in level 11 is way too hard...

Level 12 plan:

I have been working on this for quite a time, everything is possible here, but to be honest, I havn't success to pull off all of them once.

You can opt for manually balancing your ball or have some time adjusting the position before you roll. I recommand manually because 1. It is faster. 2. You can control the situation.

Part 1: 
1. See the life, and turn, go ridge race!

Part 2: 
2. Get to the second(big platform), go ridge race straight to the next part.

Part 3: 
3. Turn to stone, full speed to push the other stone and continue rolling but stick to the rail from the right.

Part 4: 
4. Hardest part in this whole game. After the wood transformater, go a bit left and ridge race on the left rail. Enjoying your ride for 6 secs and fall to the left to push the wood bridge.

Part 5: 
5. Keep practice until you can push all the thing down in one go.
6. Stone ball fall straight to the paper transformater.

Part 6:
7. Nothing exciting here, I will go for Up, Left and Right to push those stone balls.

Part 7:
8. We are nearly there, wood go straight to the stone transformater, ridge race back and get in the two rails to be in perfect position, then go up the rail ramp and push down all the crates(Brake here!), don't go anywhere else, ridge race to the next part.

Part 8:
9. Nothing exciting here, becareful, you really don't want to fork up...

Now you know true balance. My best record is losing 2 lives when doing this.

dex

2006-06-24 05:52:26 pm

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My plan was the same. My record is one life lost, but i did ridge race with my position in one place.

Yc2br3

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Yc2br3: 2006-06-24 06:01:46 pm

2006-06-24 06:00:34 pm

One life? That's so close! Maybe we can try to redo Part4 by falling to the right to ease the difficulty, it is slower though.

BTW, my down button is broken now...

dex

2006-06-24 06:35:18 pm

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Again, one life lost Sad

Was so close...
Anyway, i think i found something - do the thingies in step 7 Left, Right, Up. That way it's a little faster, and one of the bars goes down exactly the moment it needs to.

Down button broke? Maybe try remapping your keys...you could at least play the game still Tongue

TheVoid

2006-06-24 06:52:00 pm

I wish you both good luck running Level 12 Grin

I still suck at ridge racing manually, especially over long distances Wink

Well, I think I'm going to check Level 2 Grin

TheVoid

2006-06-26 01:34:14 pm

I've made a Run of Level 2, I've timed it at 02:49.
Of course there are still little mistakes in it Wink

TheVoid

2006-06-26 06:18:29 pm

Just to keep it up to date Smiley

I said earlier that I improved my Level 1 time to 01:36 (Probably badly timed again Wink

) but I never uploaded that video.
So here it is:

TheVoid

2006-06-27 06:43:32 am

Here's a Run of Level 3, timed at 02:47.

How's it going with Level 12? Smiley

dex

2006-06-27 12:16:50 pm

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It's quite hard.
Speaking of which i've finally managed wothout death...but positioning for ridge racing in few places was necessary. I didn't record it too. And i won't be able for few days, as i'm running out of space on hard drive.

Sorcerer88

2006-06-28 12:19:08 am

I have no solution, but i admire the problem.

wow, i thought all the jumping in level 1 was nice, but that flying scene in level 3 just made me laugh ^^ keep it up!

Brain_Death

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Brain_Death: 2006-06-29 07:59:38 am

2006-06-29 07:59:25 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

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but that flying scene in level 3 just made me laugh ^^ keep it up!

yeah, one of the weirdest shortcut i've ever seen Cheesy

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2006-06-29 08:17:57 am

2006-06-29 08:16:55 am

Yes, the flying shortcut is nice Wink

Too bad it can't be performed earlier...

Phallosvogel

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Phallosvogel: 2006-06-29 05:49:45 pm

2006-06-29 05:49:35 pm

Looks really nice so far.I always wanted a Ballance Run here @ speeddemosarchive Smiley

I BET theres a glitch to skip theese BallChangers. There HAS to be one :-/

dex

2006-06-29 06:36:59 pm

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Looks really nice so far.I always wanted a Ballance Run here @ speeddemosarchive Smiley

I BET theres a glitch to skip theese BallChangers. There HAS to be one :-/

You mean on the path that is one block wide? I've managed to bypass those in the start of level 11 once. It was just at the start. I was kind of lucky(once on 50 tries i presume).
Still, it seems a "little" too hard for a run Tongue

TheVoid

2006-06-29 07:02:31 pm

Yeah, that's a little too hard Wink

I was just experimenting a little bit with those Transformers, and I've found one thing although I doubt it's very useful Smiley

You can lock a key so that the game thinks it's pressed continuously.
"Just" before you enter a Transformer, press the ESC key to get into the menu (If done correctly you'll hear the Transformer switching sound thingy, you can very easily press ESC too early or too late).
Then get out of the menu and press the desired key Smiley

This can also be done when you start a level.
Hold the ESC key and start a new level, the menu will appear immediately and then get out of the menu and press the desired key.

But like I said, I doubt this is very useful Wink

Phallosvogel

2006-06-29 07:41:43 pm

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You mean on the path that is one block wide? I've managed to bypass those in the start of level 11 once. It was just at the start. I was kind of lucky(once on 50 tries i presume).
Still, it seems a "little" too hard for a run Tongue

It is possible? Make a vid please Cheesy

Oh and I want a Level 12 run; I wanna see your balancing skills

dex

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dex: 2006-06-29 08:35:32 pm

2006-06-29 07:55:29 pm

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It is possible? Make a vid please Cheesy

Oh and I want a Level 12 run; I wanna see your balancing skills

I'll try the level 12 now, hopefully the hard drive has enough free space for this 8)

Oh, and you didn't understand me. I've tried the thing around 200 times. I succeded once. Making video would be a pain in the ass, especially with warying framerate Tongue

200 post 8)

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GODDAMNED FRAMERATE!
It's just impossible to do the level fast enough....i fall on the first rail thanks too the framerate. :-/
But i've found something. I'm compiling the video of my framerate and of the discovery Smiley

EDIT : The Sequel 8): Here's the video. First part is the ultimate pwnage of framerate over me. Smiley

The second one is the trick i've found.
I have completely no idea what happened. The key appeared to be pressed all the time, and when i pressed it for real, the speed of the ball doubled. This would make for an interesting shortuc in level 11 for example. The thing is, you can't move in the other direction...Unless there's a way to turn it off...
I'll investigate.

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It is possible? Make a vid please :D
Oh and I want a Level 12 run; I wanna see your balancing skills[/quote]

I'll try the level 12 now, hopefully the hard drive has enough free space for this 8)

Oh, and you didn't understand me. I've tried the thing around 200 times. I succeded once. Making video would be a pain in the ass, especially with warying framerate :P

200 post 8)

EDIT :
:wallbash:

GODDAMNED FRAMERATE!
It's just impossible to do the level fast enough....i fall on the first rail thanks too the framerate. :-/
But i've found something. I'm compiling the video of my framerate and of the discovery :)

EDIT : The Sequel 8): [url=http://rapidshare.de/files/24495990/Ballancelvl12lol.avi.html]Here's [/url]the video. First part is the ultimate pwnage of framerate over me. :) The second one is the trick i've found.
I have completely no idea what happened. The key appeared to be pressed all the time, and when i pressed it  for real, the speed of the ball doubled. This would make for an interesting shortuc in level 11 for example. The thing is, you can't move in the other direction...Unless there's a way to turn it off...
I'll investigate.

dex

2006-06-29 09:28:38 pm

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Sorry for the double post, but i just did something completely crazy.
You wouldn't believe me without a vid, so here it is:

OMFG

First part is made to make you drop your jaw Smiley

Second part is the new shortcut for level 11 Tongue

There is half a second of another clip between both parts, sorry for not cutting it out.

How to do the thing? Ie Tutorial.

First, take a peak at the video Tongue

Then read the tutorial.

To do it, press restart level in the ESC menu. Then, spam escape like the madman. If you hear the menu coming up, stop spamming the key, turn your camera in a way you wish, and start pushing the button of the direction you want the character/ball Wink

to go. The more times you push, the faster the ball will go.
How to stop doing it? First way is to exit the level using the baloons, obviously Tongue

The second is to hit a checkpoint and then kill yourself - you will spawn on the checkpoint. And finally, something i haven't tested (yet) is to hit a ball transformer. I'll check the last way in the minute.

Sorry for the double post, but i just did something completely crazy.
You wouldn't believe me without a vid, so here it is:

[url=http://rapidshare.de/files/24500227/BallanceMEGASPEED.avi.html]OMFG[/url]

First part is made to make you drop your jaw :)
Second part is the new shortcut for level 11 :P
There is half a second of another clip between both parts, sorry for not cutting it out.

How to do the thing? Ie Tutorial.

First, take a peak at the video :P Then read the tutorial.

To do it, press restart level in the ESC menu. Then, spam escape like the madman. If you hear the menu coming up, stop spamming the key, turn your camera in a way you wish, and start pushing the button of the direction you want the character/ball ;) to go. The more times you push, the faster the ball will go.
How to stop doing it? First way is to exit the level using the baloons, obviously :P The second is to hit a checkpoint and then kill yourself - you will spawn on the checkpoint. And finally, something i haven't tested (yet) is to hit a ball transformer. I'll check the last way in the minute.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2006-06-29 09:51:33 pm

2006-06-29 09:34:58 pm

Holy crap! Grin

Very very nice man!
I'm gonna try it right away Grin

EDIT:
Some massive speed can be reached!
You can also hold ESC when you restart a level instead of continuously pushing it but you need to press ESC again to get out of the menu so... Smiley

The only problem is stopping the ball Wink

EDIT2:
I just quickly checked Level 1 and the balloon platform wasn't there!
So the last checkpoint needs to be reached first I guess...

This trick also works with the Transformers, so a Stone Ball can reach some nice speed aswell Wink

dex

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dex: 2006-06-30 12:11:30 am

2006-06-29 09:59:47 pm

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Holy crap! Grin

Very very nice man!
I'm gonna try it right away Grin

Thanks

Without YOUR find of the key pressing it wouldn't be found by me Tongue

I know it works with transformers. I also found SO MANY shortcuts in level 11 thanks to it it's hard to imagine Grin

I also thought of few other in other levels...
I found about the ballons just a while ago too...
The game is now gonna get owned so badly i actually kind of pity it Grin

EDIT: And i found out that you can go diagonally Grin

How? Press five times Up + five times left to go diagonally Grin

You can control the angle with ease.

I'm gonna do a compilation of vids with tricks i've found with that glitch. Stay Tuned...

EDIT The Sequel: I've done the compilation. It's without sound, though (it goes out of synch if you don't use avisynth, and i am too lazy to do it properly, sorry :P), so i'm contemplating adding some music to it. I can't think of the song, though :P. Maybe something calm from Pink Floyd...

EDIT The End of Trilogy: Here, for your viewing pleasure:
Without any sound - i've mentioned the reasons above Smiley

If you want the version with Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall part III dubbed in, tell me Tongue

I didn't upload it, cause it's poorly synchronised with the movie and all that...

[quote]Holy crap! ;D

Very very nice man!
I'm gonna try it right away ;D[/quote]
Thanks ;) Without YOUR find of the key pressing it wouldn't be found by me :P

I know it works with transformers. I also found SO MANY shortcuts in level 11 thanks to it it's hard to imagine ;D
I also thought of few other in other levels...
I found about the ballons just a while ago too...
The game is now gonna get owned so badly i actually kind of pity it ;D

EDIT: And i found out that you can go diagonally ;D How? Press five times Up + five times left to go diagonally ;D You can control the angle with ease.

I'm gonna do a compilation of vids with tricks i've found with that glitch. Stay Tuned...

EDIT The Sequel: I've done the compilation. It's without sound, though (it goes out of synch if you don't use avisynth, and i am too lazy to do it properly, sorry :P), so i'm contemplating adding some music to it. I can't think of the song, though :P. Maybe something calm from Pink Floyd...

EDIT The End of Trilogy: Here, for your viewing pleasure:
[url=http://rapidshare.de/files/24511390/MegaSpeedBallanceTricks2.avi.html]Without any sound[/url] - i've mentioned the reasons above :)

If you want the version with Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall part III dubbed in, tell me :P I didn't upload it, cause it's poorly synchronised with the movie and all that...

TheVoid

2006-06-30 12:21:42 am

Great shortcuts Smiley

The ones with the checkpoints require dying, but I don't think that's really a problem.
Unless we're going for a no death Run Wink

Now, let's find a way to finish off a level in 10 or less seconds... Tongue