Ballance(Puzzle Game) Run

2006-06-21 07:45:59 pm

I haven't really tried running Level 8 myself yet, so I can't really tell if it's very fast or anything but it looked good Smiley

Regarding the framerate, have you also tried to disable the clouds?
Maybe it helps a little bit.

dex

2006-06-21 07:47:09 pm

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I haven't really tried running Level 8 myself yet, so I can't really tell if it's very fast or anything but it looked good Smiley

Regarding the framerate, have you also tried to disable the clouds?
Maybe it helps a little bit.

Thanks for the idea Tongue

I'll try the level 1 and i'll maybe rerun level 8 now.

TheVoid

2006-06-21 07:54:07 pm

I'm very confused about how to exactly time a level...

Because you said you achieved a time of 04:14 on Level 8, but if I calculate it, I get a time of 04:09 Smiley

I'm doing something wrong...

Yc2br3

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Yc2br3: 2006-06-21 08:00:10 pm

2006-06-21 07:58:28 pm

Good to see people are interested! Grin

Just try to keep this organised, I will put on a lists of tricks and shortcuts for each level. I will update it and it is poorly written(English is my 2nd language). Please correct me if I made any mistakes or miss out anything. Keep practicing and we will have a good run.

List of tricks and shortcuts:

Corner cutting: Wood and paper ball allow you to cut corners to save time with high speed.

Floating: Paper ball may float over a huge distance with a reasonable height.Perfect example is level 3(Sexy).

Ridge racing: The technique that you can use a wood or stone ball run over a single rail manually or by adjusting position perfectly. You need this to do level 8's trick and the whole level 12.

Half pushing1: This is the technique that when you push a box for the block on top to fall down, you can use full speed and push to one direction. What happen is your ball will go through while a small corner of the box still sustain the block, which allow you to go back. You need this in level 7 and 10.

Half pushing2: There is a thing with 3 wooden bars block your way and you need to push the target on the other side to move the bars. You only need to push the target once to go through it.

Level 1:

1st Part

1.Go over the three boxes (Don't fall!!! Try to ridge race just after the first life to get to the stone transformation, I have tried it, it is possible although it is hard to avoid the transformation, this will save 5
secs!!!)

2.Avoid stone transformation

3.Ridge race and fly straight to the rail(the place with four paper balls)

4.Don't push the wood ball

2nd Part

5. Get the 2nd life but don't fall off. (It is possible to avoid the life and that's even faster)

6. Avoid the box at the top and fall down earlier to save time

3rd Part

7. Ignore the 3rd life and 2 push targets, go full speed and fly across(Is it possible to avoid collision here?)

4th Part

8. Push paper ball and don't turn, full speed down.

9. Some corner cutting here.

Good to see people are interested! ;D

Just try to keep this organised, I will put on a lists of tricks and shortcuts for each level. I will update it and it is poorly written(English is my 2nd language). Please correct me if I made any mistakes or miss out anything. Keep practicing and we will have a good run.

List of tricks and shortcuts:

Corner cutting: Wood and paper ball allow you to cut corners to save time with high speed.

Floating: Paper ball may float over a huge distance with a reasonable height.Perfect example is level 3(Sexy).

Ridge racing: The technique that you can use a wood or stone ball run over a single rail manually or by adjusting position perfectly. You need this to do level 8's trick and the whole level 12.

Half pushing1: This is the technique that when you push a box for the block on top to fall down, you can use full speed and push to one direction. What happen is your ball will go through while a small corner of the box still sustain the block, which allow you to go back. You need this in level 7 and 10.

Half pushing2: There is a thing with 3 wooden bars block your way and you need to push the target on the other side to move the bars. You only need to push the target once to go through it.

Level 1:

1st Part

1.Go over the three boxes (Don't fall!!! Try to ridge race just after the first life to get to the stone transformation, I have tried it, it is possible although it is hard to avoid the transformation, this will save 5 
secs!!!)

2.Avoid stone transformation

3.Ridge race and fly straight to the rail(the place with four paper balls)

4.Don't push the wood ball

2nd Part

5. Get the 2nd life but don't fall off. (It is possible to avoid the life and that's even faster)

6. Avoid the box at the top and fall down earlier to save time

3rd Part

7. Ignore the 3rd life and 2 push targets, go full speed and fly across(Is it possible to avoid collision here?)

4th Part

8. Push paper ball and don't turn, full speed down.

9. Some corner cutting here.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2006-06-21 08:35:43 pm

2006-06-21 08:33:23 pm

This shortcut I didn't know:

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1.Go over the three boxes (Don't fall!!! Try to ridge race just after the first life to get to the stone transformation, I have tried it, it is possible although it is hard to avoid the transformation, this will save 5
secs!!!)

I've tried it several times but it's pretty difficult Smiley

As a matter of fact, I've managed to do it 0 times (I'm pretty bad at ballancing on a rail.) Grin

But if properly executed, it does save quite some time...

I want to add a little "not general" technique which could be applied at some places.
The only place I know/remember at the moment is in the beginning of Level 1.
When you encounter a spiral going upwards with rails on the edges, try to roll into the edged rails instead of just rolling over the rails, you will go faster upwards.

And about this point in the Level 1 route:

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8. Push paper ball and don't turn, full speed down.

You can also go past the wood ball on the other side (The edge of the path) but I'm not sure if it's faster.

This shortcut I didn't know:

[quote]1.Go over the three boxes (Don't fall!!! Try to ridge race just after the first life to get to the stone transformation, I have tried it, it is possible although it is hard to avoid the transformation, this will save 5  
secs!!!)[/quote]

I've tried it several times but it's pretty difficult :)
As a matter of fact, I've managed to do it 0 times (I'm pretty bad at ballancing on a rail.) ;D
But if properly executed, it does save quite some time...

I want to add a little "not general" technique which could be applied at some places.
The only place I know/remember at the moment is in the beginning of Level 1.
When you encounter a spiral going upwards with rails on the edges, try to roll into the edged rails instead of just rolling over the rails, you will go faster upwards.

And about this point in the Level 1 route:

[quote]8. Push paper ball and don't turn, full speed down.[/quote]

You can also go past the wood ball on the other side (The edge of the path) but I'm not sure if it's faster.

dex

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dex: 2006-06-21 10:16:53 pm

2006-06-21 09:33:05 pm

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Wee, i've got a sub 4 minute time on lvl 8 Grin

Basically everything besides pushing of the crates went flawlessly. There's room for improvement, i think 4 or 5 seconds. Tongue

I also show that sliding on the rail is also possible with the paper ball, albeit for very short. But it can save us some time also in other levels. The bad thing is, it's hard. But i manage it quite well Tongue

That is, one on two/three tries goes how i wanted. And that's not too much.
Anyway, the video in the moment.

Bage Preak Wink

EDIT: w00t the video :
http://rapidshare.de/files/23727266/Ballancelv8v2.avi.html

Yc2br3

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Yc2br3: 2006-06-21 11:19:21 pm

2006-06-21 11:01:31 pm

:DIt looks good! well done again.
Why not try:
More corner cutting
Less waiting for the swing thing
Full speed for the pushing(You will get slowed down once you push the crates)

dex

2006-06-21 11:25:20 pm

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:DIt looks good! well done again.
Why not try:
More corner cutting
Less waiting for the swing thing
Full speed for the pushing(You will get slowed down once you push the crates)

1.Corner cutting would be good if i didn't have problems with the framerate. It's too risky when i have them.
2.Ironically, that's the part i screw up mostly. I wait for the moment, so that the stone ball doesn't fall down. That would kill a good try Cry

3.The problem is, the stone ball has too much momentum for one crate, and it usually falls down, so i slow down a little.

Yc2br3

2006-06-22 12:08:41 am

I just went through your run again and play level 8 a few times, here is what I feel you can improve.
00:32 You can fall one bridge earlier
00:39 Impressive, you don't need to wait for the last one if you time it right.
02:51 You don't need to wait here
03:00 Go to the centre of the square, full speed right until the swing thing is at the very right.
03:10 I have tried, if the frame rate problem doesn't bother you, go full speed and there is no problem.
Besides, all good.

dex

2006-06-22 12:20:07 am

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I just went through your run again and play level 8 a few times, here is what I feel you can improve.
00:32 You can fall one bridge earlier

It doesn't make the difference, as you can control your ball in midair, so i go full speed forward as soon as i'm over the ground. And it's way safer Roll Eyes

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00:39 Impressive, you don't need to wait for the last one if you time it right.

Thanks

The problem with the last one is that it isn't so synchronised with the other two. I've managed to get past all of them at once only one time.

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02:51 You don't need to wait here

I know. I just thought for a milisecond that the bridge won't fall.

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03:00 Go to the centre of the square, full speed right until the swing thing is at the very right.

I do something very similar to it actually, and with my framerate i didn't want to risk too much...

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03:10 I have tried, if the frame rate problem doesn't bother you, go full speed and there is no problem.

I'll try it then, thanks.

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Besides, all good.

Thank you

I'll try to redo it now...

[quote]I just went through your run again and play level 8 a few times, here is what I feel you can improve.
00:32 You can fall one bridge earlier
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It doesn't make the difference, as you can control your ball in midair, so i go full speed forward as soon as i'm over the ground. And it's way safer ::)
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00:39 Impressive, you don't need to wait for the last one if you time it right.
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Thanks ;) The problem with the last one is that it isn't so synchronised with the other two. I've managed to get past all of them at once only one time.
[quote]
02:51 You don't need to wait here
[/quote]
I know. I just thought for a milisecond that the bridge won't fall.
[quote]
03:00 Go to the centre of the square, full speed right until the swing thing is at the very right.
[/quote] I do something very similar to it actually, and with my framerate i didn't want to risk too much...
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03:10 I have tried, if the frame rate problem doesn't bother you, go full speed and there is no problem.
[/quote]
I'll try it then, thanks.
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Besides, all good.
[/quote]
Thank you :P I'll try to redo it now...

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2006-06-22 08:49:07 am

2006-06-22 08:20:17 am

Nice Level 8 run Smiley

I've just managed to perform that shortcut in Level 1 and also past the stone transformator (I guess I was a little tired yesterday from playing too much Ballance Grin

).

Possible improvements Level 8:

00:44 - From the steam thing you can go directly on the side rail on the right instead of going down first.
02:23 - Maybe try to ballance over the rails instead of rolling onto it (Also on the way back).

EDIT:
I've just found an awesome shortcut in Level 8 that will shave off a lot of time, about 36 seconds!

01:51 - At this point go to the right over the wood board and fall down to the path below, it maybe/probably requires a little corner cutting because of the speed required but it's possible (I haven't tried yet while standing still on 01:51 and then go to the right).

Yc2br3

2006-06-22 10:25:54 am

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I've just managed to perform that shortcut in Level 1 and also past the stone transformator (I guess I was a little tired yesterday from playing too much Ballance Grin

)

That's great! I wonder if we can get level 1 sub 1:30?

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01:51 - At this point go to the right over the wood board and fall down to the path below, it maybe/probably requires a little corner cutting because of the speed required but it's possible (I haven't tried yet while standing still on 01:51 and then go to the right).

That's amazing, I have tried it and I pull off this one at the first try, it is not hard but a huge time saver.

dex

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dex: 2006-06-22 01:13:33 pm

2006-06-22 12:38:31 pm

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Following the finding of a very beautiful shortcut i overlooked, i decided to make a new run. And the shortcut itself cut out around 40 seconds, while my own improvement in other places was close to 7 seconds. You can see how the quite good framerate looks for me here - i had worse problems. You can add a corner cut or two, but it won't be more than one second, and waiting for the swinging platform with the stone ball less could give us some lead too(with other balls it is quite perfect, i think). I think there is a room for 6-7 second improvement, maybe more. Smiley

And the time is 3:14, which is 1 minute faster than my first recorded video. Tongue

I'm uploading the vid currently, it will take some time with my crappy connection. I'll post the link later.

EDIT: Video
Almost everything went faster...i don't do the trick you mentioned at 0:44, as it hardly saves time, you can find yourself OVER the rail instead on it, and my framerate made it even riskier. Also i don't smahs into the crates on full speed, but i've found hoa you can easily take every crate nder 10 seconds, and it requires slowing down a little, so it isn't too bad. The only improvement i can think of now is:
a) bypassing all the bags at once, near the 40 second, very hard to do. It's one second saved
b)0:44 strategy, it saves half a sec
c)two corner cuts...that would be 1 sec
d)faster stone + swinging platform, three-four seconds
e)minor improvement in overall of the run, 1 second.
That makes it 7 seconds... Well comments would be welcome Smiley

I'm moving to the level no. 9 possibly.

Following the finding of a very beautiful shortcut i overlooked, i decided to make a new run. And the shortcut itself cut out around 40 seconds, while my own improvement in other places was close to 7 seconds. You can see how the quite good framerate looks for me here - i had worse problems. You can add a corner cut or two, but it won't be more than one second, and waiting for the swinging platform with the stone ball less could give us some lead too(with other balls it is quite perfect, i think). I think there is a room for 6-7 second improvement, maybe more. :) And the time is 3:14, which is 1 minute faster than my first recorded video. :P

I'm uploading the vid currently, it will take some time with my crappy connection. I'll post the link later.

EDIT: [url=http://rapidshare.de/files/23778031/Ballancelv8v3.avi.html]Video[/url] 
Almost everything went faster...i don't do the trick you mentioned at 0:44, as it hardly saves time, you can find yourself OVER the rail instead on it, and my framerate made it even riskier. Also i don't smahs into the crates on full speed, but i've found hoa you can easily take every crate nder 10 seconds, and it requires slowing down a little, so it isn't too bad. The only improvement i can think of now is:
a) bypassing all the bags at once, near the 40 second, very hard to do. It's one second saved
b)0:44 strategy, it saves half a sec
c)two corner cuts...that would be 1 sec
d)faster stone + swinging platform, three-four seconds
e)minor improvement in overall of the run, 1 second.
That makes it 7 seconds... Well comments would be welcome :) I'm moving to the level no. 9 possibly.

Yc2br3

2006-06-22 10:03:26 pm

That is nice run, well done again dex...

I have prepare a list of shortcuts for you just in case you don't know some of them. BTW, level 9 is quite boring.

Level 9
Abuse corner cutting and half pushing as much as you can...

Part 1
I have tried to run over the wood thing no less than 50 times, and it is impossible...
1. Push the wood board and let the stone ball roll, don't go and roll back, wait until the stone ball reach the closest end of the lowest level of the rail, full speed and turn left straight to the rail, time it right and you will get the stone ball as your safety cushion. (Save 4 secs)

Part 2
Can't find anything exciting.
2. Before the life, fall early.

Part 3
Can't find anything exciting.
3. Full speed to the crates, try bypass those long bars by roll at the edge, risky but time saving.

Part 4
4. Go left and up to push the thing, don't follow the loops, fly down.
5. After push two stones, go straight across to the other side.
Can you do 5 without do 4?

Part 5
6. Just keep practicing until you can push down all the weights in one go, not very hard but be careful when using the stone ball.

Good luck.

That is nice run, well done again dex...

I have prepare a list of shortcuts for you just in case you don't know some of them. BTW, level 9 is quite boring.

Level 9
Abuse corner cutting and half pushing as much as you can...

Part 1
I have tried to run over the wood thing no less than 50 times, and it is impossible...
1. Push the wood board and let the stone ball roll, don't go and roll back, wait until the stone ball reach the closest end of the lowest level of the rail, full speed and turn left straight to the rail, time it right and you will get the stone ball as your safety cushion. (Save 4 secs)

Part 2
Can't find anything exciting.
2. Before the life, fall early.

Part 3
Can't find anything exciting.
3. Full speed to the crates, try bypass those long bars by roll at the edge, risky but time saving.

Part 4
4. Go left and up to push the thing, don't follow the loops, fly down.
5. After push two stones, go straight across to the other side.
Can you do 5 without do 4?

Part 5
6. Just keep practicing until you can push down all the weights in one go, not very hard but be careful when using the stone ball.

Good luck.

TheVoid

2006-06-22 10:14:52 pm

Yes, nice Level 8 run again Smiley

Let's polish Level 9...

BTW, what about Level 2 till 7? Wink

dex

2006-06-22 10:18:58 pm

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Maybe we can do a sort of team run...:P I didn't have quite much time, as i had a clan-match in ET today. I also had enough of ballance. But i'll work on the run of level 9 and possibly earlier levels tomorrow.

BTW. Can anybody show me on vid what Yc2br3 meant with the shortcut with getting over three boxes, cause i didn't quite get it... :-[

TheVoid

2006-06-22 11:43:27 pm

I've just checked out Level 9.
A few things which could be optimised.

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Part 2
Can't find anything exciting.
2. Before the life, fall early.

You can also go to the place on top (where you need to fall down to get the life) and go to the right and up and then roll off the edge and fly to the path below (Straight ahead), this could be faster.

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Part 4
4. Go left and up to push the thing, don't follow the loops, fly down.
5. After push two stones, go straight across to the other side.
Can you do 5 without do 4?

Yes, it's possible to do 5 without 4, but the Paper Ball isn't very strong so it takes a little while to push those Stone Balls.
Just after the checkpoint you can fall down to the place where you'll see the paper transformer, then make you're way to the top and push those 2 Stone Balls, then drop down to continue.
I don't know if it's faster because of the slow Stone Ball pushing Smiley

And in Part 5 when you've crossed the platform weight pushing, comes a place where you need to go forward to push that wood thing and then you need to go left, across the rails and then up to continue.
But it's not necessary to push the first wood thing I was talking about, that can be skipped.

I've just checked out Level 9.
A few things which could be optimised.

[quote]Part 2
Can't find anything exciting.
2. Before the life, fall early.[/quote]

You can also go to the place on top (where you need to fall down to get the life) and go to the right and up and then roll off the edge and fly to the path below (Straight ahead), this could be faster.

[quote]Part 4
4. Go left and up to push the thing, don't follow the loops, fly down.
5. After push two stones, go straight across to the other side.
Can you do 5 without do 4?[/quote]

Yes, it's possible to do 5 without 4, but the Paper Ball isn't very strong so it takes a little while to push those Stone Balls.
Just after the checkpoint you can fall down to the place where you'll see the paper transformer, then make you're way to the top and push those 2 Stone Balls, then drop down to continue.
I don't know if it's faster because of the slow Stone Ball pushing :)

And in Part 5 when you've crossed the platform weight pushing, comes a place where you need to go forward to push that wood thing and then you need to go left, across the rails and then up to continue.
But it's not necessary to push the first wood thing I was talking about, that can be skipped.

Yc2br3

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Yc2br3: 2006-06-23 10:39:23 am

2006-06-23 10:37:20 am

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BTW, what about Level 2 till 7? Wink

If there is nobody do the run, I will do eventually. If anyone interest in any of them, I can put on a shortcut list and we can discuss about it.

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Just after the checkpoint you can fall down to the place where you'll see the paper transformer, then make you're way to the top and push those 2 Stone Balls, then drop down to continue.
I don't know if it's faster because of the slow Stone Ball pushing

I do think paper ball will be slower. I wonder if you can go across using wood ball.

TheVoid

2006-06-23 01:56:05 pm

Yes, the Paper Ball is very slow, I've made a simple example video of how you can do it with the Wood Ball Smiley

Yc2br3

2006-06-23 08:28:24 pm

That's beautiful, not easy to pull off, I am going to practice this.

dex

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dex: 2006-06-23 10:14:46 pm

2006-06-23 10:14:09 pm

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Well, while you take care of the level 9, i've decided to move to MUCH more interesting levels 11 and 12. In both, i have found literally hundreds of timesavers and routes. As one video speaks more than 10000 words, i'm gonna make a vid about it right now.
Stay tuned...
EDIT: Again, a Bage Preak. I'm starting to think it is some kind of conspiracy... Wink

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2006-06-23 10:35:24 pm

2006-06-23 10:33:58 pm

I think were done with Level 9, I can't find any possible shortcuts anymore.
For now, I think the route is done.

11 and 12? What about 10? Grin

I think I'm going to check 10 now, then I'll wait for your video about 11 and/or 12 and then I'm going to try to optimise those levels Smiley

Yc2br3:
I believe you wanted to write down the routes in this thread right?
If so, I think you can better write them in your first post (Maybe also include the links to videos?) so it's more organized and easier to find Smiley

dex

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dex: 2006-06-23 11:54:46 pm

2006-06-23 10:44:42 pm

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Caught a good video for level 11, woohoo!
I'll upload and comment on it in a few minutes, it will take a while with my connection... :-[

EDIT: Oh, i wanted to search for shortucuts on level 10, but i pressed the wrong button and found couple of incredible shortucts there... Tongue

EDIT the important:
Video time is 5:55 Tongue

Kind of long, but the level is INCREDIBLY FAWKING LONG,so...
Comments: First good(15 secs) timesaver is at the 1:03, the jumping with the paper ball down onto the path. Up to 1:15 the video is almost flawless. There, i need to push the box little more, costing me 1-2 second.
The video is good then up to the point of 1:58, where i need these inches again. To answer the question, i think jumping with paper ball down is kind of impossible. I'll check it yet, though.
Up to 3:34 the run is almost unbeatable, again. There, i forgot you can go over the rail and jump down to the path i need to go immediatelly. Cost me 3 seconds only, sure, but, yeah, it's 3 SECONDS...
The good run continues, almost flawless again. Going over the bridge with wooden ball is remotely possible, but i don't think it's possible to abuse it...i'll try though.
At 4:38, i forgot it's a speedrun, and i wanted to take the power-up >_<. Shamefull, really, cost me 5 seconds.
The run is good afterwards, with the exception i switched my view to abuse the shortcut easily, it cost me 1 second...
Anyways, the shortcut. 5:28 to 5:38. This move saves around 50 seconds, completely. Which is kind of good. At 5:40, i could avoid changing into wooden ball, but i realised it later. Well, i'll try some more shortcuts here and i'll optimise it still. But for now, the video:
http://rapidshare.de/files/23932187/Ballancelvl11.avi.html

Caught a good video for level 11, woohoo!
I'll upload and comment on it in a few minutes, it will take a while with my connection...  :-[

EDIT: Oh, i wanted to search for shortucuts on level 10, but i pressed the wrong button and found couple of incredible shortucts there... :P

EDIT the important: 
Video time is 5:55 :P Kind of long, but the level is INCREDIBLY FAWKING LONG,so...
Comments: First good(15 secs) timesaver is at the 1:03, the jumping with the paper ball down onto the path. Up to 1:15 the video is almost flawless. There, i need to push the box little more, costing me 1-2 second.
The video is good then up to the point of 1:58, where i  need these inches again. To answer the question, i think jumping with paper ball down is kind of impossible. I'll check it yet, though.
Up to 3:34 the run is almost unbeatable, again. There, i forgot you can go over the rail and jump down to the path i need to go immediatelly. Cost me 3 seconds only, sure, but, yeah, it's 3 SECONDS...
The good run continues, almost flawless again. Going over the bridge with wooden ball is remotely possible, but i don't think it's possible to abuse it...i'll try though.
At 4:38, i forgot it's a speedrun, and i wanted to take the power-up >_<. Shamefull, really, cost me 5 seconds.
The run is good afterwards, with the exception i switched my view to abuse the shortcut easily, it cost me 1 second...
Anyways, the shortcut. 5:28 to 5:38. This move saves around 50 seconds, completely. Which is kind of good. At 5:40, i could avoid changing into wooden ball, but i realised it later. Well, i'll try some more shortcuts here and i'll optimise it still. But for now, the video:
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/23932187/Ballancelvl11.avi.html[/url]

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2006-06-24 10:21:56 am

2006-06-24 09:27:37 am

Nice run with a few exceptions (That was pretty funny watching how you wanted to grab that Point Extra Wink

).
Yeah, pushing those crates is a pain sometimes... Wink

00:24 - Why do you go over the bridge and wait instead of going down to push the wood thing right away? Smiley

00:59 - You can drop on the rails at the bottom instead of the ones where you drop now, it's a little faster Smiley

01:48 - You can drop down a little sooner.
02:00 - See that wooden crate above you just pushed? I think it's possible to push that crate, then transform into the paper ball and then fly down from that crate to the path below. I'll check it. I know it's not possible to drop from the rails to the path below with the paper ball.
I've tried this and it didn't work... the paper ball just hasn't enough height and/or speed to drop on the path :-/

03:33 - Just like you said, drop down immediately Wink

03:55 - From this point go Left+Up over the bridge and drop onto the path below.
04:43 - Maybe continue here (Instead of going up) and on the corner drop down, maybe it's a little faster?
05:26 - Very nice shortcut Smiley

I think it's possible to drop here earlier so you can land near the wood transformer, I need to check that. Unless you take the ventilator and skip the wood transformer, hmm... what would be faster? Smiley

I've tried dropping earlier and landing near the wood transformer, but it didn't work. It's better to skip the wood transformer
It should also be possible to immediately drop into the hole (Which leads to the rails and the ventilator) but this can pretty easily go wrong...

Nice run with a few exceptions (That was pretty funny watching how you wanted to grab that Point Extra ;) ).
Yeah, pushing those crates is a pain sometimes... ;)

00:24 - Why do you go over the bridge and wait instead of going down to push the wood thing right away? :)
00:59 - You can drop on the rails at the bottom instead of the ones where you drop now, it's a little faster :)
01:48 - You can drop down a little sooner.
02:00 - See that wooden crate above you just pushed? I think it's possible to push that crate, then transform into the paper ball and then fly down from that crate to the path below. I'll check it. I know it's not possible to drop from the rails to the path below with the paper ball.
[b]I've tried this and it didn't work... the paper ball just hasn't enough height and/or speed to drop on the path :-/[/b]

03:33 - Just like you said, drop down immediately ;)
[b]03:55 - From this point go Left+Up over the bridge and drop onto the path below.[/b]
04:43 - Maybe continue here (Instead of going up) and on the corner drop down, maybe it's a little faster?
05:26 - Very nice shortcut :) I think it's possible to drop here earlier so you can land near the wood transformer, I need to check that. Unless you take the ventilator and skip the wood transformer, hmm... what would be faster? :)
[b]I've tried dropping earlier and landing near the wood transformer, but it didn't work. It's better to skip the wood transformer ;)
It should also be possible to immediately drop into the hole (Which leads to the rails and the ventilator) but this can pretty easily go wrong...[/b]

dex

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dex: 2006-06-24 12:53:29 pm

2006-06-24 11:06:42 am

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Nice run with a few exceptions (That was pretty funny watching how you wanted to grab that Point Extra Wink

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Heh

Thanks anyway Tongue

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Yeah, pushing those crates is a pain sometimes... Wink

You tell me...

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00:24 - Why do you go over the bridge and wait instead of going down to push the wood thing right away? Smiley

Maybe you can actually drop down onto the path, i'll try that Tongue

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00:59 - You can drop on the rails at the bottom instead of the ones where you drop now, it's a little faster Smiley

You've seen my framerate there? Tongue

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01:48 - You can drop down a little sooner.

It doesn't help, it's actually slower. Why? Because i get some velocity from that slide in there, and i go full speed right from the beggining of the route. So it wouldn't save time, it would even destroy it Grin

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02:00 - See that wooden crate above you just pushed? I think it's possible to push that crate, then transform into the paper ball and then fly down from that crate to the path below. I'll check it. I know it's not possible to drop from the rails to the path below with the paper ball.
I've tried this and it didn't work... the paper ball just hasn't enough height and/or speed to drop on the path :-/

Told it is impossible in my post.

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03:33 - Just like you said, drop down immediately Wink

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03:55 - From this point go Left+Up over the bridge and drop onto the path below.

Oh, i know of this Wink

The problem is, again, in my framerate...thank God it isn't so noticable in the video...

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04:43 - Maybe continue here (Instead of going up) and on the corner drop down, maybe it's a little faster?

I used that, altough thanks to my mistake i had to take a different version of it... Tongue

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05:26 - Very nice shortcut Smiley

I think it's possible to drop here earlier so you can land near the wood transformer, I need to check that. Unless you take the ventilator and skip the wood transformer, hmm... what would be faster? Smiley

I've tried dropping earlier and landing near the wood transformer, but it didn't work. It's better to skip the wood transformer
It should also be possible to immediately drop into the hole (Which leads to the rails and the ventilator) but this can pretty easily go wrong...

Thank you

Getting right into the hole would be hard, but i've found a possible thing there....
I've told you about wood transformer:P

EDIT: I now know how to bypass the bridge 8) Redoing the run...
EDIT2 : Got a better run...uploading...

[quote]Nice run with a few exceptions (That was pretty funny watching how you wanted to grab that Point Extra ;) ).[/quote] Heh ;) Thanks anyway :P
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Yeah, pushing those crates is a pain sometimes... ;)
[/quote] You tell me...
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00:24 - Why do you go over the bridge and wait instead of going down to push the wood thing right away? :)[/quote]
:P Maybe you can actually drop down onto the path, i'll try that :P
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00:59 - You can drop on the rails at the bottom instead of the ones where you drop now, it's a little faster :)
[/quote] You've seen my framerate there? :P
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01:48 - You can drop down a little sooner.
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It doesn't help, it's actually slower. Why? Because i get some velocity from that slide in there, and i go full speed right from the beggining of the route. So it wouldn't save time, it would even destroy it ;D
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02:00 - See that wooden crate above you just pushed? I think it's possible to push that crate, then transform into the paper ball and then fly down from that crate to the path below. I'll check it. I know it's not possible to drop from the rails to the path below with the paper ball.
[b]I've tried this and it didn't work... the paper ball just hasn't enough height and/or speed to drop on the path :-/[/b]
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Told it is impossible in my post.
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03:33 - Just like you said, drop down immediately ;)
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:D
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[b]03:55 - From this point go Left+Up over the bridge and drop onto the path below.[/b]
[/quote]Oh, i know of this ;) The problem is, again, in my framerate...thank God it isn't so noticable in the video...
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04:43 - Maybe continue here (Instead of going up) and on the corner drop down, maybe it's a little faster?
[/quote] I used that, altough thanks to my mistake i had to take a different version of it... :P
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05:26 - Very nice shortcut :) I think it's possible to drop here earlier so you can land near the wood transformer, I need to check that. Unless you take the ventilator and skip the wood transformer, hmm... what would be faster? :)
[b]I've tried dropping earlier and landing near the wood transformer, but it didn't work. It's better to skip the wood transformer ;)
It should also be possible to immediately drop into the hole (Which leads to the rails and the ventilator) but this can pretty easily go wrong...[/b][/quote]
Thank you :) Getting right into the hole would be hard, but i've found a possible thing there....
I've told you about wood transformer:P

[b]EDIT: I now know how to bypass the bridge 8) Redoing the run...[/b]
EDIT2 : Got a better run...uploading...