Sonic 3 and Knuckles!

2010-09-09 07:19:24 am

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Co-op progress!

AI: 50 / 1:33
HC: 55 / 48 +7 (?!)
MG: 1:04 / 1:03
CN: 59 / 2:55
IC: 1:59 / 1:29
LB: 49 / 1:47
MH: 1:22 / 1:30
FB: 1:35 / 1:42
SO: 2:27 / 3:11
LR: 2:18 / 3:51
HP: 26
SS: 1:05
DE: 2:00 / 3:13 +14

TOTAL: 41:12

Yes, we died in Death Egg 2. Sad

The trick we do there requires really precise positioning and we missed it at the first try. Aside from that, there were also a bunch of other levels that were done poorly, so the target of 39 minutes is still on for now. Sub-40 is probably more realistic though.

Phở

2010-09-11 10:35:05 pm

Too cool for 7th grade.

This is probably a VERY VERY slim chance, but are any of the warp glitches from the co-op TAS that involve using Tails to fly at all possible in a normal speedrun?

mike89

2010-09-11 11:00:13 pm

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New run today:

AI: 51 / 1:33
HC: 1:00 / 34 +7
MG: 1:07 / 1:10
CN: 51 / 2:40
IC: 2:05 / 1:04
LB: 44 / 1:41
MH: 1:13 / 1:24
FB: 1:29 / run over Sad

Missed the FB2 slope glitch, which made me very sad. Sad

We were 72 seconds in front at that point, which had us tracking for exactly 40 minutes.

And if I know what you're talking about, some of those tricks are actually very easy. Launch Base 1 has one, as does Sandopolis 1 and Death Egg 2.

mike89

2010-09-13 06:52:41 am

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AI: 51 / 1:33
HC: 59 / 34 +14
MG: 1:01 / 1:09
CN: 54 / 2:43
IC: 2:08 / 1:01
LB: 43 / 1:35
MH: 1:20 / 1:25
FB: 1:30 / 1:38
SO: 3:22 / 2:49
LR: 2:01 / 3:49
HP: 25
SS: 1:06
DE: 1:55 / 3:23 +45

TOTAL: 40:53

Stupidly died on the final boss, which is where the +45 comes from. >:/

You'll also notice the really, really slow Sandopolis 1. That's not going to happen any more because we're dropping that zip, it causes way more trouble than it's worth.

mike89

2010-09-14 07:14:42 am

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Another new run today:

AI: 51 / 1:36
HC: 55 / 34 +7
MG: 58 / 59
CN: 1:01 / 2:35
IC: 1:59 / 57
LB: 48 / 1:31
MH: 1:17 / 1:26
FB: 1:31 / 1:48
SO: 2:33 / 2:59
LR: 2:22 / 3:36
HP: 25
SS: 1:17 +19
DE: 1:52 / 3:22 +38

TOTAL: 40:16

Yes, I died on Sky Sanctuary. I could not believe my eyes. It was all going so well Sad

So I decided that if we could hit the zip in Death Egg 2 then we might be able to hang onto the run. We hit it... and then died on the final boss anyway.

Probably wouldn't have kept it anyway, LR1 was 20 seconds slower thanks to a bunch of bad luck, FB2 similarly. Everything else I can live with, this run I'm obviously being much less picky about because we only have limited time to do it in.

yoshifan

2010-09-14 05:14:18 pm

Hang in there! Just completing this run would be epic, would love to see you pull through with this.

mike89

2010-09-18 09:03:23 pm

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Getting ever closer...

AI: 51 / 1:33
HC: 58 / 34 +14
MG: 1:05 / 56
CN: 52 / 2:39
IC: 2:02 / 1:10
LB: 43 / 1:40 (15:17)
MH: 1:12 / 1:22
FB: 1:29 / 1:39
SO: 2:37 / 2:54
LR: 2:00 / 3:49
HP: 34 (:()
SS: 1:11
DE: 1:56 / 3:20 +40

TOTAL: ... 40:00.

Yes, that's right. If we hadn't died on the final boss -again- it was 39:20 and pretty much an auto-submit. Sad

I really need to stop losing my lightning shield on IC2 though, compare to the post above where I was 13 seconds faster (!).

I guarantee it'll look really good when it's done though! I'm going to hang on to it just in case we can't beat this, but we should have something good for you pretty soon Cheesy

Miles

2010-09-18 09:49:42 pm

...Maybe at this point, Tails should just not do anything during that section of the final boss? Seems like it'd help to keep you alive. <_<

Flying Fox

2010-09-19 01:19:06 am

In case some of you don't know who I am, I'm playing as Tails in the co-op run with mike89.

About the DE2 final boss not all of it is my fault. I will admit to one time that I hit the boss at the same time as mike causing him to die. However, a couple of times it has been mike's fault not timing his jumps right >_>. What happened in the 40:00 run, I was trying to hit the nose to set mike up. For some strange reason Tails wouldn't hit the nose, even though I was trying to make him aim at it Sad

mike89

Edit history:

mike89: 2010-09-21 12:53:08 am

2010-09-21 12:52:25 am

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So I've got some good news and some bad news. And owing to the very structure of a forum post, you're going to get the good news first.

AI: 50 / 1:33
HC: 53 / 34 +7
MG: 1:01 / 1:26
CN: 56 / 2:42
IC: 1:57 / 1:06
LB: 43 / 1:32 (15:20)
MH: 1:15 / 1:23
FB: 1:29 / 1:41
SO: 2:23 / 3:06
LR: 2:10 +7 / 1:45 (!!!)
HP: 33
SS: 1:03
DE: 1:49 +32 / 3:22

TOTAL: 37:58

You may have noticed that two minutes' improvement on LR2 there. Using a similar trick to the Flying Battery 2 laser boss skip I can actually bypass the boss of this level, which is a gigantic saving because it takes two minutes to do that boss. However, it takes time to set up and both moves (yes, there's two!) are quite tricky, so a time like 1:45 is unlikely to happen again.

And that's the good news.

The bad news are those + signs near the end of the run... especially the one on DE1. Sad

If you want to see just how bad the bad news was, just check out my latest selection of bloopers! These can be either good or bad news, depending on your outlook. The two deaths in this run are 14 and 15.

So I've got some good news and some bad news. And owing to the very structure of a forum post, you're going to get the good news first.

AI: 50 / 1:33
HC: 53 / 34 +7
MG: 1:01 / 1:26
CN: 56 / 2:42
IC: 1:57 / 1:06
LB: 43 / 1:32  (15:20)
MH: 1:15 / 1:23
FB: 1:29 / 1:41
SO: 2:23 / 3:06
LR: 2:10 +7 / 1:45 (!!!)
HP: 33
SS: 1:03
DE: 1:49 +32 / 3:22

[b]TOTAL: 37:58[/b]

You may have noticed that [i]two minutes' improvement[/i] on LR2 there. Using a similar trick to the Flying Battery 2 laser boss skip I can actually bypass the boss of this level, which is a gigantic saving because it takes two minutes to do that boss. However, it takes time to set up and both moves (yes, there's two!) are quite tricky, so a time like 1:45 is unlikely to happen again.

And that's the good news.

The bad news are those + signs near the end of the run... especially the one on DE1. :(

If you want to see just how bad the bad news was, just check out my latest selection of bloopers! These can be either good or bad news, depending on your outlook. The two deaths in this run are 14 and 15.

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2010-09-21 11:14:24 am

Exoray

11 and 15 were best, they invoked the most laughter Smiley

yoshifan

2010-09-21 10:26:01 pm

Wow at the DE1 death - after something like that, I think you guys get quite some recognition for not being too blinded by rage/disbelief to finish the run (without botching DE2, no less).

Anyway, you should definitely submit!

mike89

2010-09-23 10:20:46 pm

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Still sitting on that co-op run for the moment, we haven't played since. At this stage it's unlikely we'll improve so that'll probably be the submitted run... which makes me die a little inside.

Anyway, I've still got the speedrunning bug so I switched over to the Tails run. Within an hour, I got this:

AI: 53 / 1:36
HC: 46 / 38 +7
MG: 1:10 / 0:56
CN: 43 / 2:49
IC: 1:38 / 1:09
LB: 2:17 / 2:04
MH: 1:11 / 1:28
FB: 1:36 / 1:31
SO: 1:33 / 2:55
LR: 2:37 / 3:31
HP: 34
SS: 1:04
DE: 2:03 +71 / 3:21

TOTAL: 41:21

I'm not sure what makes me more mad, the fact that I died on the DE1 boss (despite playing a conservative strategy to ensure that didn't happen), or the fact that had I not died there, I'd have had a submittable run after just one hour.

Of course had I got 40:10 there is no way I would have submitted that, at that point sub-40 is inevitable. I also missed the LR2 level skip, which saves a minute. As far as I can tell, however, it is impossible for Tails to do the boss skip, so he has to take the two minutes to fight it.

Still sitting on that co-op run for the moment, we haven't played since. At this stage it's unlikely we'll improve so that'll probably be the submitted run... which makes me die a little inside.

Anyway, I've still got the speedrunning bug so I switched over to the Tails run. Within an hour, I got this:

AI: 53 / 1:36
HC: 46 / 38 +7
MG: 1:10 / 0:56
CN: 43 / 2:49
IC: 1:38 / 1:09
LB: 2:17 / 2:04
MH: 1:11 / 1:28
FB: 1:36 / 1:31
SO: 1:33 / 2:55
LR: 2:37 / 3:31
HP: 34
SS: 1:04
DE: 2:03 +71 / 3:21

[b]TOTAL: 41:21[/b]

I'm not sure what makes me more mad, the fact that I died on the DE1 boss (despite playing a conservative strategy to ensure that didn't happen), or the fact that had I not died there, I'd have had a submittable run after just one hour.

Of course had I got 40:10 there is no way I would have submitted that, at that point sub-40 is inevitable. I also missed the LR2 level skip, which saves a minute. As far as I can tell, however, it is impossible for Tails to do the boss skip, so he has to take the two minutes to fight it.

fuzzerd

2010-09-24 03:39:53 pm

its not impossible, just very very difficult.

mike89

2010-09-24 09:44:58 pm

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PARTY TIME!

AI: 51 / 1:33
HC: 51 / 34 +7
MG: 1:00 / 1:10
CN: 51 / 2:34
IC: 2:02 / 1:01
LB: 43 / 1:44 (15:01)
MH: 1:18 / 1:22
FB: 1:27 / 1:34
SO: 2:29 / 2:45
LR: 2:11 / 2:15
HP: 29
SS: 1:08
DE: 1:47 / 3:18

TOTAL: 37:04

Well, that's a load off our shoulders.

I'm never going anywhere near this category again.

tjp7154

2010-09-24 10:07:12 pm

#Casual

Party indeed. Good job.

dballin

2010-09-24 11:53:53 pm

Balls jerky

Congrats! Can't wait to see the run.

moooh

2010-09-25 02:33:03 am

Exoray

Awesome, no unintentional deaths this time around. You got a really good time despite the LR2 time. Gogo sub 37 ? ;P

mike89

2010-09-25 02:35:49 am

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Quote from mike89:

I'm never going anywhere near this category again.

Phở

2010-09-25 08:59:11 am

Too cool for 7th grade.

AWESOME! Congrats, Mike! Now to torture yourself with Sonic Advance 3. Tongue

Phoenix3568

2010-09-25 09:16:36 am

Procrastination Nation!

Awesome work! I'm so excited to see the videos!!

mike89

2010-10-26 08:02:01 am

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Update!

Hasn't been much to say lately since I haven't been doing many Tails attempts, but I've decided that I'm going to start hammering it out again. In all likelihood this will be my last speedrun for the year, because this game (surprisingly enough) is burning me out pretty hard.

Most recent completion from about half an hour ago:

AI: 53 / 1:35
HC: 47 / 37 +7
MG: 59 / 1:01
CN: 59 / 2:46
IC: 1:42 / 1:27
LB: 2:19 / 1:57
MH: 1:17 / 1:23
FB: 1:39 / 1:27
SO: 1:16 / 2:55
LR: 2:37 / 3:28
HP: 31
SS: 1:01
DE: 1:58 / 3:27

TOTAL: 40:08

I'm pretty sure the game is actively mocking me at this point.

Stuff that went really badly:
CN1 - game didn't let me have the wheel glitch so I just played the level normally for a loss of about 15 seconds
IC2 - got hit by a certain enemy knocking me down to a lower level. Twice. And screwed up the boss for good measure.
LR1 - this level always goes really badly though so I'm kinda used to it. More importantly though, I missed the LR2 level wrap glitch which would save me a minute Sad

Update!

Hasn't been much to say lately since I haven't been doing many Tails attempts, but I've decided that I'm going to start hammering it out again. In all likelihood this will be my last speedrun for the year, because this game (surprisingly enough) is burning me out pretty hard.

Most recent completion from about half an hour ago:

AI: 53 / 1:35
HC: 47 / 37 +7
MG: 59 / 1:01
CN: 59 / 2:46
IC: 1:42 / 1:27
LB: 2:19 / 1:57
MH: 1:17 / 1:23
FB: 1:39 / 1:27
SO: 1:16 / 2:55
LR: 2:37 / 3:28
HP: 31
SS: 1:01
DE: 1:58 / 3:27

[b]TOTAL: 40:08[/b]

I'm pretty sure the game is actively mocking me at this point.

Stuff that went really badly:
CN1 - game didn't let me have the wheel glitch so I just played the level normally for a loss of about 15 seconds
IC2 - got hit by a certain enemy knocking me down to a lower level. Twice. And screwed up the boss for good measure.
LR1 - this level always goes really badly though so I'm kinda used to it. More importantly though, I missed the LR2 level wrap glitch which would save me a minute :(

mike89

2010-11-02 08:13:08 am

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Lost a run at DE1 miniboss. Was tracking 20 seconds ahead of my 40:08. Fucking thing sucks.

mike89

2010-11-04 10:28:15 pm

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OK this is getting ridiculous.

AI: 53 / 1:36
HC: 45 / 35 +7
MG: 1:02 / 1:03
CN: 42 / 2:41
IC: 1:43 / 1:02
LB: 2:18 / 1:49 (16:16)
MH: 1:19 / 1:25
FB: 1:39 / 1:27
SO: 2:11 / death

16:16 Sonic 3 half is 53 seconds ahead of my 40:08, and I still had the Lava Reef 2 skip potentially to come.

Then, at Sandopolis 1, I went for the level skip... and zipped the wrong way out of the wall. This is an unrecoverable position, you can't go back and attempt the zip again after this, so I had to play the level normally. This cost me a solid minute. D:

Played through the run anyway and got killed by a moving platform in Sandopolis 2 anyway. Attempts continue!

mike89

2010-11-10 06:45:37 am

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No new run tonight (should've had one, died at DE1 again...) but here's what you've all been waiting for, more bloopers!

16 and 17 are from the run in the previous post, 18 is from tonight's attempt. I have no idea how this happened, because I swear I wasn't pressing up.

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S3bloopers16.mp4

S3bloopers17.mp4

S3bloopers18.mp4