My feelings on The Demon Rush
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Single-segment run
Verifier Responses
This is really the main reason for rejection, if you don't want to read any other responses.
I talked to the runner about the route, and this is the conversation we had.
Decision: Reject
Reason: The execution is great, but the route is bad.
As always, the run is available for a month, just PM me for the link.
Single-segment run
Verifier Responses
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Verifier: oh, completely forgot, knytt verification
Verifier: it's a really good run, and if we're going to have a 'without warps' category I'd say accept
Verifier: but I don't think the category is really merited, strikes me as something like LoZ with no whistle warps or something like that
Verifier: and the warps can save enough time that not using them is a reject, plan and simple
Verifier: really hope the runner draws up a warp route though, as this run is really good, only a couple tiny mistakes
Verifier: it's a really good run, and if we're going to have a 'without warps' category I'd say accept
Verifier: but I don't think the category is really merited, strikes me as something like LoZ with no whistle warps or something like that
Verifier: and the warps can save enough time that not using them is a reject, plan and simple
Verifier: really hope the runner draws up a warp route though, as this run is really good, only a couple tiny mistakes
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Well first off I have to say that I'm a bit impressed with how little mistakes there are in this run. The only ones that I noticed were a few missed jumps that cost about a second or so.
The time that I got was 15:06.20 which is a bit impressive, but sadly the run can be improved by about 2-3 minutes so I must reject this run.
As for my own comment to the runner. Please don't take this the wrong way, but use it to improve the run greatly.
The time that I got was 15:06.20 which is a bit impressive, but sadly the run can be improved by about 2-3 minutes so I must reject this run.
As for my own comment to the runner. Please don't take this the wrong way, but use it to improve the run greatly.
This is really the main reason for rejection, if you don't want to read any other responses.
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I'm replying to all for a reason. Check my work. 
First, I'd like to congratulate the runner on his remarkable execution. I only saw a few errors over the course of the run. I would like to accept this run.
Unfortunately, I can't, because I noticed that the route didn't take any warps. Considering how many warps there are in the game, that was a bit surprising. I found my old copy of the game's world map (and apparently the source I got it from is dead, so it's no wonder the runner didn't know about the secrets). I spent a few hours today playing the game again, scribbling over the map to denote where the warps take you and where the invisible passages are, and doing some ad-hoc route planning.
Reading the map is simple. I've drawn in yellow lines to denote invisible passages. There's a bunch of passages that I didn't mark on the bottom row of the map, but they should all be obvious. Warps are lettered in red. If a warp has a > next to its letter, that means it's one way. X> is the source, >X is the destination.
The link is here: http://www.filefront.com/17138226/Full_map_warps.png/
I can also upload a clean unlabelled version if anyone wants it.
Anyways, after a few hours of planning and a few trial runs, I got a time of 12:13 (compared to the run's ~15:05 or so). The 12:13 is pretty bad; for example, I messed up the last jump that could be messed up and had to spend 20 or so secs getting back up in the clouds. It can go down a lot further (maybe 11:20-30?), but as a proof of concept its job is done. I'm not fully satisfied with the route either, but it's the best I can come up with right now. Here's hoping someone tries to improve it.
Lastly, audio/video quality seemed ok. Xvid was struggling with the higher-than-normal video size, but this was just a -v copy, so whatever. Sound quality was fine.
tl;dr: I can't accept this run as is, but I really hope the runner improves it.
p.s. a while ago I made a maxrun/lowgrav route, but I couldn't get Camtasia to record at an acceptable quality and was just lazy. If anyone would like to see that (and get Mike to make an exception to the no-cheats rule, since this really ends up as more of an alternate game mode than a cheat and it changes so much), I'd be happy to recreate it.
First, I'd like to congratulate the runner on his remarkable execution. I only saw a few errors over the course of the run. I would like to accept this run.
Unfortunately, I can't, because I noticed that the route didn't take any warps. Considering how many warps there are in the game, that was a bit surprising. I found my old copy of the game's world map (and apparently the source I got it from is dead, so it's no wonder the runner didn't know about the secrets). I spent a few hours today playing the game again, scribbling over the map to denote where the warps take you and where the invisible passages are, and doing some ad-hoc route planning.
Reading the map is simple. I've drawn in yellow lines to denote invisible passages. There's a bunch of passages that I didn't mark on the bottom row of the map, but they should all be obvious. Warps are lettered in red. If a warp has a > next to its letter, that means it's one way. X> is the source, >X is the destination.
The link is here: http://www.filefront.com/17138226/Full_map_warps.png/
I can also upload a clean unlabelled version if anyone wants it.
Anyways, after a few hours of planning and a few trial runs, I got a time of 12:13 (compared to the run's ~15:05 or so). The 12:13 is pretty bad; for example, I messed up the last jump that could be messed up and had to spend 20 or so secs getting back up in the clouds. It can go down a lot further (maybe 11:20-30?), but as a proof of concept its job is done. I'm not fully satisfied with the route either, but it's the best I can come up with right now. Here's hoping someone tries to improve it.
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Get the first item, same as in the run Take warp A Get Castle Item 1, in the top-right corner Take warp B (some tricky platforming involved here) Get East Desert Item 1 Get East Desert/Gold Spikes Item 2 Take warp C Go down one screen, get Swamp Item Head west, over the mountain (one of my favorite things about this route is that you never have to mess with the minecart or spider in the swamp area) Get Underground Item Head west, past the west desert, through the mountain, onto the clouds, get Cloud Item 1 Drop straight down, get Sewer Item Take warp A again Get Castle Item 2 Go through the secret passage to the left of the spider, head right, get Purple Block Area Item Take warp F Take warp G Get Cloud Item 2 End the game
Lastly, audio/video quality seemed ok. Xvid was struggling with the higher-than-normal video size, but this was just a -v copy, so whatever. Sound quality was fine.
tl;dr: I can't accept this run as is, but I really hope the runner improves it.
p.s. a while ago I made a maxrun/lowgrav route, but I couldn't get Camtasia to record at an acceptable quality and was just lazy. If anyone would like to see that (and get Mike to make an exception to the no-cheats rule, since this really ends up as more of an alternate game mode than a cheat and it changes so much), I'd be happy to recreate it.
I talked to the runner about the route, and this is the conversation we had.
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me: oh um
me: there's something else
Runner: yes ?
me: yeah sorry I forgot
me: yeah it had something to do with the route
me: except I can't find the pm
me: oh here
me: (Link: http://www.filefront.com/17138226/Full_map_warps.png/)http://www.filefront.com/17138226/Full_map_warps.png/
me: map someone made with a new route
Runner: alright, I'll look at.
me: well apparently the game has one world map
me: and the warps take you back and forth through places
me: which is different from smb and battletoads
me: where the warps skip full levels
me: [18:45] <Verifier> anyways, i can't get to the pm right now either, but i'm pretty sure the route is
[18:45] <Verifier> first item as usual, warp a, top-right castle item, warp b
[18:45] <Verifier> both east desert items, warp c
[18:46] <Verifier> fall down one screen, swamp item, head left and skip the minecart/swamp area
[18:47] <Verifier> get the next few items backwards, then after the sewer item hit warp a again, then down to the second castle item, and from there to the item in the purple block area next to warp f
[18:47] <Verifier> then warp f, warp g, last cloud item, end the game
Runner: anyway, I'm a bit "shocked" ! I didn't know that the bottom row of the map EXISTS. There are secret passages of that map : I didn't know there was such secrets ! o_O
Runner: I had all planned without taking these areas into account
Runner: so yeah, you're right, because of that, my route is surely a bad one.
me: [18:52] <Verifier> hahah
[18:54] <Verifier> kinda hard to blame him, since a lot of them are well hidden, although i'm surprised he didn't find any at all
[18:55] <Verifier> plus the map seems to have disappeared from the web
Runner: thanks Verifier for being comprehensive ;). But because of all these areas, I find that the game loses a bit of his charm !
Runner: anyway it's also a clear reject for my run. We're fixed.
me: okay glad to have sorted that out
me: there's something else
Runner: yes ?
me: yeah sorry I forgot
me: yeah it had something to do with the route
me: except I can't find the pm
me: oh here
me: (Link: http://www.filefront.com/17138226/Full_map_warps.png/)http://www.filefront.com/17138226/Full_map_warps.png/
me: map someone made with a new route
Runner: alright, I'll look at.
me: well apparently the game has one world map
me: and the warps take you back and forth through places
me: which is different from smb and battletoads
me: where the warps skip full levels
me: [18:45] <Verifier> anyways, i can't get to the pm right now either, but i'm pretty sure the route is
[18:45] <Verifier> first item as usual, warp a, top-right castle item, warp b
[18:45] <Verifier> both east desert items, warp c
[18:46] <Verifier> fall down one screen, swamp item, head left and skip the minecart/swamp area
[18:47] <Verifier> get the next few items backwards, then after the sewer item hit warp a again, then down to the second castle item, and from there to the item in the purple block area next to warp f
[18:47] <Verifier> then warp f, warp g, last cloud item, end the game
Runner: anyway, I'm a bit "shocked" ! I didn't know that the bottom row of the map EXISTS. There are secret passages of that map : I didn't know there was such secrets ! o_O
Runner: I had all planned without taking these areas into account
Runner: so yeah, you're right, because of that, my route is surely a bad one.
me: [18:52] <Verifier> hahah
[18:54] <Verifier> kinda hard to blame him, since a lot of them are well hidden, although i'm surprised he didn't find any at all
[18:55] <Verifier> plus the map seems to have disappeared from the web
Runner: thanks Verifier for being comprehensive ;). But because of all these areas, I find that the game loses a bit of his charm !
Runner: anyway it's also a clear reject for my run. We're fixed.
me: okay glad to have sorted that out
Decision: Reject
Reason: The execution is great, but the route is bad.
As always, the run is available for a month, just PM me for the link.
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